Hunter discussion

[Mivius]

sense they havent responded you you guys post yet (or mine) i think i can awnser most of your questions. atleast give me a shoot :D

Kruf (and huntin gurus),

I have a couple of questions around my gear choice, talents, and serpent sting application specifically; but first thing is my armory here: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... =razearrow

Please note I only play as MM now with a rather standard 7/57/7 with exception of maxing hit due to gear availability.

My questions are as follows:

1-) I chose to omit Dash in my wolf spec, concerned about the potential loss of focus; thoughts on this as I've most of you having Dash?
2-) Would it be wise to swap out NES for Greatness (or badge trinket), and fully regem ARP at this point? it just seemed no matter how I have tweaked the spreadsheet I seemed to get less dps in return; of course I hear you loud and clear NES is close to trash. (and I kind of concur lookin at my own procs)
3-) Your thoughts on timinig of re-applying serpent sting? I've been having a tough time deciding between culling herd and 2T10 proc but would love to get a rule of thumb here.

I am sure I must been doing something wrong there (partly also because we don't have the perfect raid set-up missing key debuffs); really admire you guys taking the time helping us hunters out. Much appreciated!

1. the reason why i have dash is that its a higher speed increase then the passive one, its active only when its needed, and there is no focus problem what i have noticed, having more then 50~55% crit gives allot of focus to your pet you know...

2. if i ware you i who'd keep it as it is now until you get something else. spending 5k might be a big bundle of cash for some players and you will only replace it soon anyway, but i can recommend you trying to gather more apr gear in the meanwhile so once you get that trinket your looking for your not standing there whit 50% passive arp

3. thumb rule is on 2T10 proc, and then keeping it up whit chimera. the best that could happen is that you get it in the start and have it applied the whole fight, an example is getting he proc on the go first 5 sec into saurfang whit all that ap and the proc increasing your sting, mine does about ~1.3k a tick nowdays on normal fights whit the t10 proc and ~1k without. on saurfang i have never had the time to look

Hello, I am just curious to a few things that may increase my dps; Currently in my 25man runs with the Guild (casual raiding) I am able to push around 9.8k DPS. I am, sadly, using the NES, but I cannot seem to get WFS, DBW, or DV to ever drop and when they do, I lose the roll; and Greatness tends to run around 4k - 5k gold on my server currently.

My priority list is: Silencing Shot > Kill Shot > Serpent Sting > Chimera Shot > Aimed Shot > Steady Shot until CD's are up. I never use my Rapid Fire in conjunction with Heroism and I have my Armor Penetration as close to the Soft-cap as it can get with the damn NES.

on spreadsheets, it shows number of 10.2k to 10.3k dps, and I am 400-500 lower than the spreadsheets.

I am mostly just curious to see if there is anything you would recommend changing/improving Kruf.

thanks a ton, mate.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Dolkau

the only thing i can notice except that you obviously need new trinkets is that i do wounder why you don't use rapid fire whit heroism/bloodlust? that's mostly the second i pop all my cooldowns (rapid, racial(orc),potion of speed(or wild magic, depends) and anything else i can force, and immediately once it run out i time it whit a readiness and activates it again. this way you have rapid up almost for the full duration of hero/blood

then again, i don't really know if the damage increases in the long run whit doing this or whit poping cd's when hero/blood is not up. all i can say that i am still my guilds top dps so it must work i guess...

also spread sheets is never 100% right, the damage there is without human error or moving or anything really that can f*ck it up

[Tidehuntard]

Hi , i got 1 question about CS and 2pc set bonus... i used the spredsheet and there just said " Warning: The dps calculated below assumes that you are refreshing your serpent sting when the 2pc T10 bonus procs and then using chimera to maintain it for the rest of the fight to preserve the damage bonus."

My dps there with "best raid buffs" was 10294.29 (with flask of endl. rage and arp food)
But i think i do more dps in raids...
Thats my armory http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... ing+Throng

[Mivius]

Hi , i got 1 question about CS and 2pc set bonus... i used the spredsheet and there just said " Warning: The dps calculated below assumes that you are refreshing your serpent sting when the 2pc T10 bonus procs and then using chimera to maintain it for the rest of the fight to preserve the damage bonus."

My dps there with "best raid buffs" was 10294.29 (with flask of endl. rage and arp food)
But i think i do more dps in raids...
Thats my armory http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... ing+Throng

the spreadsheet don't count in the +10% dmg buff that is right now

[Tenhu]

Couple questions
1) Our guild has 3-4 hunters clearing ICC25, our guildmaster suggest that one hunter should take Improved hunters mark, so I took it.
But I don't know is it necessary should I drop it and took +hit talent since I have neck from 10man sindra http://www.wowhead.com/item=51779 and other arp stuff and my hit will drop if I equip these.

2) should I replace distant land http://www.wowhead.com/item=50040 with http://www.wowhead.com/item=51022 because i have it too?

3) any general advice, heres my armory link http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... h&cn=Tenhu (sorry no better trinkets yet)

Sorry about fish poles etc in hand, I am very active so equipment could be pvp or anything.
Anything hunter related advice is very appreciated, I may guide our hunters to read this forum, or just ask myself and guide them then.

Pet I used is Jurpo wolf.

[Badkarma]

Hi again Kruf,

Just had a quick question, do you use the range talent for lich king heroic? Just debating on if it's worth it for killing the orbs quicker or if it's not worth losing the crit on steady shot.

edit: Had one more not really hunter related but maybe you know. Does the death knight thing that makes targets take 30% more damage from diseases work with the plague from phase 1 on shamblers?

[Kruf]

With the NES the ArP softcap is around 725 or so correct? What would it be if I were to get rid of it if you dont mind me asking?

Without NES (or any other arpen proc trinket) there's no longer any softcap for arpen, only the hardcap of 1400.

Also, do any of your hunters have IHM specced in? Cause as of right now, Im the only one with it, the other MM hunter had to place some points into Focus Aimed for his hit and the other is Survival so I dont want to bring a large dps loss to the raid by getting rid of it come the time. Im already partially considering dropping Trueshot Aura since its getting overwritten by Abom's Might in our raids.

If you have guaranteed 10% AP from someone else in raid you should definitely drop TSA. We never run with more than 2 hunters and often with just 1, so it doesn't make much sense dropping actual dps talents to pick up IHM.

[Kruf]

is there a reason why you hunters in paragon don't have 100% apr? why is it around 96-99% all the time? is it becoues of apr food?

If you look at my gear, you'll notice that I can't get 100% arpen without the food, every possible gem is already arpen.

If I could I'd try to get 100% from gear only so in case of dying and being combatressed I'd lose less dps.

i am myself at about 97% apr atm so the question have kinda getting more and more important to me, ofc i can use apr food to reach about ~99.4% apr but a hard 100% cap before food sounds and should be better thoraticly or am i missing something here

Theoretically there's absolutely no difference between reaching 100% using the food (and gemming 2 agi gems) or reaching it from gear alone and using agi food, both yield exactly the same total stats. Only if you ever have to go without the foodbuff for some reason things become biased towards having 100% from gear.

looking around on all the datas and theory crafting i don't really se a point in not keeping it on the hardcap. as it seems that the last single percentages is the ones that makes the most, why waste it?

It still doesn't make sense to gem a 20arpen gem if you're 1 rating short, though, since every point over the hardcap is totally wasted, and 19 points of agi is considerably chunk of dps too.

also, i haven't had time yet to check the full thread so I'm asking this also, which spreadsheet or simulator~ish do you guys recommend, i have ben using female dwarf for a long time now and for me it proves good (as i atm are top dps in my guild) but is there any better one?

I prefer SimulationCraft over all the sheets.

[Kruf]

1-) I chose to omit Dash in my wolf spec, concerned about the potential loss of focus; thoughts on this as I've most of you having Dash?

Dash does not trigger constantly even on autocast when your pet is standing still; if your pet has to run to reach something it's a dps gain to use focus for Dash instead of saving it for a dps ability but getting to the target slower. Thus, generally it's a dps gain to have Dash - it's not like you can get anything useful with the talent point anyway...

2-) Would it be wise to swap out NES for Greatness (or badge trinket), and fully
regem ARP at this point? it just seemed no matter how I have tweaked the spreadsheet I seemed to get less dps in return; of course I hear you loud and clear NES is close to trash. (and I kind of concur lookin at my own procs)

NES is about as good as Greatness, depending slightly on the rest of your gear. Consider HWT if you can spare the badges - it beats both Greatness and NES in most setups by a small margin.

Femaledwarf shows a very minor dps gain by switching to all arpen gems and HWT instead of NES.

3-) Your thoughts on timinig of re-applying serpent sting? I've been having a tough time deciding between culling herd and 2T10 proc but would love to get a rule of thumb here.

Culling the Herd has such a high uptime that it should nearly always overlap with 2T10. However, in case that this overlap does not happen, 2T10 is much higher damage bonus than Culling the Herd, so always choose 2T10.

[Kruf]

Hello, I am just curious to a few things that may increase my dps; Currently in my 25man runs with the Guild (casual raiding) I am able to push around 9.8k DPS. I am, sadly, using the NES, but I cannot seem to get WFS, DBW, or DV to ever drop and when they do, I lose the roll; and Greatness tends to run around 4k - 5k gold on my server currently.

There's also HWT that's a decent option, and 4k for a Greatness isn't that bad (I paid more for all the ones I've bought for my chars...) - it's an upgrade over the Banner of Victory at least.

on spreadsheets, it shows number of 10.2k to 10.3k dps, and I am 400-500 lower than the spreadsheets.

If you're 400-500 below the sheet without the ICC buff you're doing pretty much fine - but if that's with the 10% buff then there's some improvement to be had.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Dolkau

You really need to get 2T10 setbonus ASAP.

[Kruf]

sense they havent responded you you guys post yet (or mine) i think i can awnser most of your questions. atleast give me a shoot :D

Sometimes I have this thing called IRL too... :D

the only thing i can notice except that you obviously need new trinkets is that i do wounder why you don't use rapid fire whit heroism/bloodlust? that's mostly the second i pop all my cooldowns (rapid, racial(orc),potion of speed(or wild magic, depends) and anything else i can force, and immediately once it run out i time it whit a readiness and activates it again. this way you have rapid up almost for the full duration of hero/blood

Like I've explained before, every haste buff will push your Steady Shots to be faster than your GCDs, thus you only gain the haste effect on white attacks when you stack multiple haste buffs. Thus, generally speaking, it's better to spread out the haste buffs to get more benefit for Steady Shot. However, you have to also consider trinket procs and the fight mechanics - it makes no sense popping your cooldowns when you're likely to have to move or switch targets.

The most important factors are still trinket procs, CotW, Hysteria and such, and whether you'll lose one round of cooldowns if you delay them.

also spread sheets is never 100% right, the damage there is without human error or moving or anything really that can f*ck it up

Spreadsheets are never 100% right because they're just estimates of averages, unlike simulators which are actually simulating every hit and proc separately.