Atramedes logs
Combatlogs from the night: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/2189/
Have fun digging through the 76 glorious wipes (and kill)!
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Combatlogs from the night: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/2189/
Have fun digging through the 76 glorious wipes (and kill)!
Comments
Is WoL bugged? That was saying it was 25 normal mode Atramedes - You didn't wipe 76 times on normal did you? If you did, eep, we aint gonna be doing it for a while 0.o
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 10:16
It is heroic, WoL bugs.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 10:22
It's just a bug with WoL atm. Having Obnoxious Fiend as part of the logs should be enought to see it's from heroic fight
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 10:22
So what are you trying to show? Showing that you did many tries and then decided to exploit and avoid Sonar Pulses?
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 11:17
It's clearly not a WoL bug, this is what happens when you have the likes of smirk and geru facerolling huntards.
Normal modes are required.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 11:40
Hopefully proof enough to the idiots out there that Paragon are good enough that they don't need to exploit their to the top :)
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 12:24
If u cant read/understand logs then you would say "they used exploit"
Funny thing is that russian guild killed that boss less than 1 hour before even getting easyer hardmodes down and same goes for method when was looking theyr kill logs :D
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 13:09
Heroic because of the damage done to Atramedes, almost 165m. Weird that H Atra encounter deals less damage then N Nefarian. Why Sejta is not in this fight?
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 13:11
comparing try #8 with the kill, seems legit to me. what do you think people? (argue with data)
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 13:25
i dunno, the damage from sonar pulse in the first attempts are much higher that in the kill
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 13:31
@ Jay
How the fuck can combat logs show how they physically did the encounter? It doesn't prove anything. Get out of their rectum.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 13:40
Could people have bettered their play as they get more experience on the fight? Nooo thats UMPOSSIBLE!
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:25
I dont have anything against Paragon, and I'm a fan of them, but this is looks really strange to me, that last 70+ tries took avarage time of ~ 2minutes and then suddenly a kill (11 minutes). Also in their kill a lot of people took zero damage from Sonar Pulse, is it possible?
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:29
Because this fight only needs one tank. Would be silly to carry two tanks for heroic progress if you can pick up one additional dd
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:36
Usually good players learn from theyr mistakes and reason might be they just dont get hitted by sonics that many times on last tryes.
Funny thing is that russian guild killed this boss less than 1 hour before even killing easyer hardmodes....
Method screenshot showing dragon head insade the door........
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:42
Sonar Pulse — Sends discs of sonic energy flying around the room. If touched inflicts 5850 to 6150 Arcane damage and adds seven sound.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Atramedes
"If touched" which hints to the fact, that sonar pulse can be avoided without using a corner.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:53
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/lexvtflwibj2uooc/spell/92453/?s=22368...
this seems to show that modulation was not avoided by standing behind a corner (this is the data of the actual kill)
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 14:57
It's hard to tell tbh, looks pretty legit though, we'll see when they release the video, srs props if you did the encounter properly though.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 15:08
only 2 melee in the kill, since they can't really move behind the boss when he is facing the entry room.. /clap
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 15:51
Congratulations on your kill and very well done in executing it without abusing the exploit as other guilds have done (many different parts of the logs prove that this was a legitimate HM kill without using the exploit). Best of luck in the rest of progression and hopefully other guilds will have the decency to follow in your example.
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 16:05
I see you have no dks in those logs how come?
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 17:10
if its a clean kill - why not release a movie? and also how about the first kill movie? dot dot dot
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 17:38
If its a clean kill - release a movie. You think its hard to force results in wol? and also release movie from first kill...
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 17:40
I find it weird how not 1 of your hunters remembered to use an aspect.... *cough*
Fri, 31/12/2010 - 18:22
I think if you want to prove that you didn't use the exploit then you (Paragon) need to release a video of the kill before next raid reset.
Logs will not prove anything, for all we know, you were intending to kill Atramedes without using the exploit and 70 attempts later you guys said "fuck it, we want world firsts." Theres no way to tell with logs.
I know at least 3 people record for every attempt/fight in Paragon. I also know you can get a youtube video up in less than a day.
You can't use your infamous excuse that you don't want to release the video until another guild defeats the encounter so they don't use your strat, because Method beat you to the kill (exploit or not).
I absolutely love Paragon, you are all amazing players and have outstanding personalities. I like your videos and raid performance, I visit the site daily and always wish for the best. I do not think bad of you and even if you -did- use the exploit I won't think any differently. There will ALWAYS be haters and we all know that unless there is proof then it will never be put to rest.
Even as a Paragon fan, I still believe there is one way to prove it. We need a video before Wednesday, January 5th, 2011.
In regards to 2011, Happy New Years to everyone! I hope everyone has had a great holiday season. Keep up the great work Paragon.
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 05:27
I didn't fraps. I'd rather have extra fps while trying to avoid sonar pulses than fraps of some world 3rd kill. Remember that we killed it before Stars revealed the magic spot, so I didn't even have any idea we'd need fraps for some reason.
If we jumped through hoops to prove ourselves to every fan and hater, we'd be doing that all day long and would never get to raid. Logs were posted because it could be done with a couple of button presses.
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 05:39
I'm not going to say you guys are liars or not, as I stated before, I think very highly of Paragon and I won't hold grudges. Some people, on the other hand, will do anything to make you guys look bad and want proof (other than some numbers and letters.)
If -no one- frapsed a kill then it looks more suspicious. I wouldn't expect you to clarify every single time someone has pointed out something that can make you guys look bad, it's just to much effort and a waste of time. You guys know you are some of the best players and there will be people out there to do anything to make Paragon look bad.
Thanks for the quick reply and once again, keep up the great work and Happy New years. =]
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 06:21
i find it hard to believe the same boss that is surrounded by positioning exploit rumors, is also the first boss kill you completely neglected to take a kill screenshot of since... ever?
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 09:59
all we want from paragon staff is a "it was legit, now shut up and just wait for the video!!"
is it possible?
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 17:06
OK
For the past 4 hours i'm thinking about what word to use to describe Your behavior - under "your" fall everyone snooping, digging, accusing and what not around, trying to pull the answers which they WANT TO HEAR, rather than what they ARE, and i cant find low enough word.
If anyone has the right to want answers about this story this is Blizzard. Everyone else is stupid to think something different. So shut the F up already. Dumb kids.
Sat, 01/01/2011 - 22:55
It is kind of funny how you guys only used 2 melee dps to kill the boss sending verdisha and alikes on their alts. I do not think you bugged the encounter but well your setup isnt even 'ranged heavy' it is kind of "no melee because it is actually harder to kill the boss with a normal setup" your usage of highly modified setup for atramedes is just lol. Next time try to kill it with a slightly more "regular" raid maybe.
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 09:47
It's really nothing new. Ranged is just heavily favored in half the fights. In rest of the fights there's only a slight favor. Chimaeron is the only fight where it's just a toss-up between melee and ranged that comes to mind.
Valiona & Theralion had pretty much the same setup, only a couple of melee players in the fight. It was the same on Magmaw. If it had been possible at the time, Omnitron Defense System would've been 100% ranged stacking as well simply because it's easier. Now it just doesn't matter anymore because we've gotten tons more gear and we can't be bothered to switch the groups around. Melee gets punished unnecessarily hard with so many things, especially in fights where you can DoT multiple targets.
It'll be the same for some other bosses too; there's no sense in trying to make things unnecessarily hard by bringing in classes that suck in a particular fight. Can you tank heroics with a moonkin? Yes, probably. Should you? Yeah, probably not, unless you're just really bored. It's just sub-optimal. You didn't want a resto druid in on Lich King initially because they were just poor in the fight.
It's something that I whined about in beta already. It didn't really change. Ranged alts > majority of melee mains.
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 10:02
i cant wait to see the council kill setup.. only 2 melees tanks haha.... sad
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 13:02
I totally understand your logic and you are right however you are talking like what you did had to be done to kill the boss while i think it is only paragon which changes their normal setup in such a drastic measure. When checked it can easily be seen that many other guilds kill this boss with a much more balanced squad.
My point there was about you choosing the very easy way to kill a new encounter. Now do no get me wrong i am not trying to undermine your achievement i respect it. Although you are trusting your classes much more than your players it seems. Of course i am nowhere near experience wise to your level of commitment to this game and therefore my judgement is a very personal one. However really you are just pushing it to the point that every player having 3-4 alts so when a boss comes that favors a certain classes you can just bring 5x each of that class and "weee" easymode. Personally i think raiding should not be done like that however of course you are a very successful guild and your way of racing is not something i will/can judge or decide; just trying to explain myself.
thanks and good luck in your future progress.
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 15:23
sad is you'll never be there
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 15:27
We play to win. We have fun while doing it. We're not doing this with the perfect balance between every class and spec; they're not equal. We do whatever we possibly can to min-max to get the kills and results. Anything less than that makes no sense here.
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 18:04
with sad i mean sad designed ;) i dont care about class stacking but fcking melees in the ass sucks :/
Sun, 02/01/2011 - 23:22
im sorry and i take my words back then
Mon, 03/01/2011 - 10:58