Atramedes HC clarity

[Freelapdance]

First off I am not trying to bash your achievements. I think you guys are totally crazy for raiding as much as you do, but clearly you are dedicated to being the best. On various forums, specifically MMO-Champ there has been a lot of mud thrown around and its been pretty impressive just how honest and open you guys have been about everything.

Personally I dont feel that the whole nef druid stacking was an exploit at all. However, what I know a few people are wondering is a kill-shot or fraps of the Atramede kill. Obviously this encounter has been one of most commented regarding "exploits". Can we expect to see a kill-shot or fraps of your first kill?

[Kepi]

First off I am not trying to bash your achievements. I think you guys are totally crazy for raiding as much as you do, but clearly you are dedicated to being the best. On various forums, specifically MMO-Champ there has been a lot of mud thrown around and its been pretty impressive just how honest and open you guys have been about everything.

Personally I dont feel that the whole nef druid stacking was an exploit at all. However, what I know a few people are wondering is a kill-shot or fraps of the Atramede kill. Obviously this encounter has been one of most commented regarding "exploits". Can we expect to see a kill-shot or fraps of your first kill?

a kill shot necessarily prove anything, there are plenty of guilds with a dead Atramedes in the center of the room but its well known they did the door exploit. Only two guilds have really only been able to prove that their kill was alegit one by looking at their logs and it was premo and paragon.

Others have yet to prove otherwise and others released a video of them exploiting the kill (Cuties Only and Deus Vox). The fight is full of things that can easily lag out any computer because of the intense graphics thrown around everywhere, that aside this was one of the main reasons No one fraps'd it in paragon as stated on their news post for the Atramedes KIll.

[zYN]

I'm fairly sure there's _some_ fraps footage, I just remember Diamondtear specifically saying he didn't fraps it. Deva has some bits of it, although I think he deleted some of them out of anger. I have no clue. It was probably the most horrible raiding day we've had in the whole expansion - if I remember right, roughly half the raid just logged out without really even checking the loot. Just getting out as fast as possible. I'm not really up-to-date on any of this. Maybe someone else will respond who has a clue.

We didn't use the doorway tactic though, since that's what you were asking. We fought him in the room without leaving it. We did have some sonar pulses get stuck in the walls occasionally because of the position we tanked it in at, so saying it was a completely clean kill would be just flat out lying. I'm absolutely sure that there's not a single guild who has killed him without using some sort of exploit - intentional or not. Double gongs, sonars getting stuck etc.. probably the worst I know of was the "unlimited gongs" after a soft reset. There were quite a few high and low ranked guilds just killing him by repeatedly clicking on non-despawning gongs. That particular "tactic" made the boss just sit in place and take twice the normal damage, not even using any abilities at all.


I honestly don't think that we can meet the DPS requirements with the new fixes to the encounter if we're going to try it with a regular raid setup. Probably not going to be even close. 10 minute enrage is also quite absurd - a full ranged setup is a must-have.

[Freelapdance]

Thanks again for clearing this up. Sounds almost like it is semi-Gruul from TBC where at the start almost everyone killed it with some sort of bug. I get the feeling that should anyone have really done something extreme Blizzard would have banned them but in this case because there are so many bugs and so many guilds use them to varying degrees that there is no point in them doing anything.