Opening as Assassination Rogue

[Ivanoize]

Well, my question is specially for Paragon Rogues or most experienced rogues of the whole forum, How you are opening your rotation and re-opening after vanishing?

My problem is with garrote usage and 1cp SnD.

[Salmor]

you start with garrote-->SnD-->1xMutilate-->rupture-->1xMutilate-->Envenom, and then you start the normal rotation.
now on the vanish part, the only thing that you wanna achieve is getting the extra energy regen from Overkill so you, Vanish and the use mutilate at once.

[Ivanoize]

Well, I'm in doubt with this first mutilate > rupture, is right to do a smaller 3cp or 2 cp rupture at the opening? And why this opener is the best?

[Diahi]

There's a lot of discussion about openings here. Especially on the last few pages. You should check those out. Vanishing for garrote should be the best thing to do as long as you don't overwrite overkill or have envenom buff up. Things are still a bit unclear though, starting with a rupture instead of snd might very well be better but we don't know yet.

[Ivanoize]

I've read a lot of EJ about assassination guide, and I noticed the rupture usage is very important even without 4- combo points, in the opening I can imagine it can be good, but in a situation when I'm in a midfight and my rupture is about to drop, so I can renew it with 3 cp or less to maintain UP because of Venomous Wounds or I just renew my ruptures only with 4+ combo points?

Summarizing it all I've asked here, Is right to renew Rupture just to maintain it up with 3 or less combo points?

[Diahi]

Nobody really knows yet as no-one has been able to model the cycle well enough to test it.

[Salmor]

If your procs and cooldowns are down and you have a hard time with your enerhy regen, then you should refresh both rupture and SnD with 3 combo points.

[bobadom]

at Salmor, you say to vanish and use a mutilate, why not use a garrote. Personally I find this a better thing to use after a vanish because it gives you chance to get venomous wounds procs.

as for opening I have found that garrote> rupture > SnD (if Ruthlessness procs) from then its the standard rotation, has given me the best start.

[killzonia]

Well, my question is specially for Paragon Rogues or most experienced rogues of the whole forum, How you are opening your rotation and re-opening after vanishing?

My problem is with garrote usage and 1cp SnD.

I think the debate is mainly about whether you should open with Mutilate, do perhaps slightly less damage, and gain 2 (possibly 3) CPs OR open with Garrote, spend slightly less energy, gain venomous wound procs, but only get 1CP resulting in a slower first finisher.