Pally prot - 4.0

[moutinho]

Hello everyone.

I'm facing some threat issues, what about you?

What Seal and skills you guys think are better now?

Lazeil, whats your opinion about the patch and the modifications we're facing?

Ty!

[Ceef]

Im having the same issues,

From what ive worked out it seems the highest generation of threat is a solid 939 Rotation.

Dumping 3 stacks of HoPow into Shield. But still struggling to hold agro on pretty much anything.

Also AOE Tanking has been nerfed into the ground.

[moutinho]

Yeah. The problem is that the raid is not used to wait before starting dps and as ghostcrawler said, people will need to wait before dpsing, maybe 10sec for the tank to build the threat on the mob.

I can't simple engage and have problem with 1 dps ( like it was with warriors ), i'm engaging and all classes are already high on the threat scale ( warlocks are generating a truck of threat ).

[Lazei]

Surprisingly I didn't have much AOE threat problems on ICC trash. Before the raid I thought it would be way more difficult than it was because inquisition isn't available yet. Our other tank was a feral druid so it might have been because he did some insane aoe threat. I'm probably dropping hallowed ground from my spec for the next raid.
I have no idea if this optimal thing to do but I ended up not using shield of right in aoe pulls. Just spammed any aoe I could (hammer every other gcd and holy wrath/AS/conse on the others). If I lost aggro from something I just taunted and slapped 3 HP shield of right onto it.

No problems with single target threat either.

[moutinho]

Hum... i read that people were using the consecration glyph and not taking the Hallowed ground. Instead of hallowed ground you should go for Crusade... do you think it's a good stuff?

About stats, worth re-forging your itens for mastery instead of dodge, expertise, parry or hit?

And for the rotation on single target, it's a "priority list", right?

SotR with 3 holy points -> Crusade strike -> holy wrath -> shiled -> Judgem -> consacration.

Any advice about this priority list? Word of glory should be used when main tanking?

@edit: And seal? :p

Ty!

[Blaablaa]

I personally went for the block cap via mastery. Ended up with 99.75% avoidance in combat, not enough but I'll get there.

And as for the rotation, I start with AS -> CS / HotR -> Judgement -> CS / HotR -> HW -> CS / HotR -> SHotR. Of course it may change a bit if Grand Crusader procs

[moutinho]

And what stat you changed to put mastery on the gear?

[Blaablaa]

And what stat you changed to put mastery on the gear?

I changed Dodge and Parry to Mastery until I had about 21.50% of both Dodge and Parry. Ended up a bit short on Block as I said but it makes sure that you'll either Dodge / Parry the whole hit, or block 30% of it.

Also I have reforged few pieces with Expertise so I have it softcapped.

[Legarambor]

Hello everyone.
I'm facing some threat issues, what about you?
What Seal and skills you guys think are better now?
Lazeil, whats your opinion about the patch and the modifications we're facing?
Ty!

anyway, personally I am not facing any problems with my threat. (I don't even need the exp to be capped :>)

Truth is the better seal.
Rotation BOSS: personally I'm starting with Avengers shield, so it's on CD and can be resetted by using Crusader strike after, if your lucky and it proc you use avenger shield again, otherwise you use judgement, only when your holy power is maxed you should use Shield of Righteous, when you've nothing to press and you got the mana for Concecration, use it. it isn't really needed from my personal experience.

prior list: SoR (3x holy power) > Avengers Shield > Crusader strike > Judgement.

with this I'm easily holding aggro.

(im not lazeil, but:) the patch is kind of really bad for pala tanking, it's slightly worse in the AoE threat, and it's incredible boring since you actualy have to wait to press buttons >.> but the amazing dps and high crits make my day to be honest :)

I hope I helped you with this :)

[moutinho]

Thanks for your help, i would say i helped me a lot. Anyway the problem that i'm facing is that i'm doing this that you do, my dps is not very good and people from my raid always get near my threat and sometimes steal the boss's agroo.

I have a good gear ( 6100+ with the addon ), I bought the wrathful dps sword for trying to boost my dps and the %'s off my CS ( slow weapon, 2.6, +final dmg = +dmg for CS ).

About tanking... this patch is not very cool, the armor value is decreased, the armor quantity was reduced... i feel i'm getting larger hits from bosses than it was before. Well, i'm not here to complain, this is not a blizz's forum, but if you can explain me why my dps + threat is above the average, tell me.

Ty in advance and also for the replys. ( sorry for the english mistakes, not my native language )