More Frost questions

[Imadeath]

Hey guys ;) As the title says i have a few questions about frost for synti and the rest of the dks. My main spec is blood but with the upcoming patch revamping it into a tank tree i have decided to give frost a shot. I've read a few guides so i know some things.

here is my armory:http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&cn=Imadeath

My frost weapons really aren't the best but its what i have. For my first question

In one guide i read the GoD frost spec is more like a rotation than priority. i still go by the priority but the rotation they listed had me scratching my head since they really didnt explain why they would cast pestilence so early. Here is what was posted

When used with GoD this comes pretty close to a solid rotation.
Opening Rotation: IT - PS - OB - BS - Pest <---this
Repeating Rotation: (damage part): OB - OB - OB
Repeating Rotation: (refresh part): OB - OB - BS -Pest

I'm thinking maybe cause procs are up so diseases would be spread and maybe the rotation is for when there are multiple mobs but he doesn't really say. So my question is should i continue like this or switch that pest with a bs.

My 2nd question. In one of these threads u posted using erw at 35%. I was just wondering when should i use erw in my rotation exactly. when i have 2 death runes? I good at using erw in blood haha but frost seems a lil different. I also want to ask that for the unholy dks, when do you guys use your erw exactly?

That's all i have to ask for now but i may have a few questions later.

[Chris]

I'm not a Frost expert since i've been Blood until today, but i'm also giving it a shot.

My build:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn ... iLn,,10192

For tanking a single target i suggest IT - PS - BS - BS - OB - OB with Frost Strike and Rune Strike as runic power dump.

For tanking AOE it's very simple DnD - IT - PS - PEST - HB - BB - FS - OB - HB - PEST.

Frost ALSO does very decent damage, in my opinion it's the best option these days, though Unholy doesn't cease to amaze me. You'll find Frost also VERY viable for PvP.

You can try for single target DPS
(Remember keeping your Frost Fever, Blood Plague & Horn of Winter on):
- Killing Machine -> Rime
- Killing Machine -> Frost Strike
- Obliterate
- Blood Srike
- Frost Strike
- Rime

Hope this had been useful.

[Imadeath]

Thanks for the input on tanking but im looking for the info on dps since thats all i do. I have the priority down like you showed KM--rime and so forth.

I'm just wondering if i should pestilence right away or wait till the diseases are about to fall (im GoD frost spec) or continue with what im doing. Which is:
Opening Rotation: IT - PS - OB - BS - Pest
Repeating Rotation: (damage part): OB - OB - OB
Repeating Rotation: (refresh part): OB - OB - BS -Pest

Is it necessary for that first pest or should i make it a bs.

And im also really curious as to when i should be using erw, i know for blood dps i was using erw when i had 4 death runes. I'm not sure if its the same for frost and unholy.

[Chris]

I use Pest the same way you do, right away to accumulate runic power, but that's only my opinion though.

I used to erw after my first rotation instead of waiting for cooldowns, but lately i'm using it when 4 death runes. However I can't be precise on this matter even i'd like to hear zyn's opinion about this.

[Violated]

When starting an roation on a boss or mob w/e.

You start with IT-PS-OB-BS-BS-Bloodtap-Unbreakable Armor-cancelaura Blood Tap then if you dont have it on CD -> Raise dead <-

Step 1 OB-OB-BS-Pest
Step 2 OB-OB-OB (Back sto step one)

Then its upto you to prioritize KM and Freezeing fog and remember to keep Unbreakable armor on cooldown this is Very inportant. Good luck

[Imadeath]

Thanks vio and chris. I'm gonna give that a try. Iv'e been using my unbreakable armor as soon as my OB would use up the death runes. I was using it in a similiar way you posted Vio. But my 2nd question is still up. When is the perfect time for ERW? Also i should have some logs pretty soon.

[Violated]

I'd say when you hit that 35% marker. But you should keep a look out for trinket proc's,ring proc when you pop it so you realy get as much out of it as possible. The trick with EMP is to right afther you refresh your diseases witch should look like this:

OB-OB-BS-Pest then wait OB-OB ERW - OB - OB - OB this shouldnt mess up your rotation or the disease timer.

[Imadeath]

Thaks man, this info should prove very useful, right now i've been practicing on the heroic dummy and i can see an improvement. I have one last question. I have been waiting to use my rime proc for when km is up. So sometimes i wait till the proc is about 5 sec left and i make sure everything is on cd and i use it.

Is this a good idea or should i use it immediately when everything is on cd?

[Violated]

KM should allways be used with Frost Strike not Howling Blast unless there are 3 mobs or more. The way i prio things is

Runes all ways on CD
Frost Strike if KM is up
Frost strike if RIME isnt up
Howling Blast if Rime is up and KM isnt (eventho you got runicpower for a frost strike)

if Rime (freezeing Fog) and KM is up you do Frost strike first then Howling blast !IF! the runes still are on CD remember runes comes first.

[Imadeath]

Yea reason i was asking is that its been debatable, this is what i've read:

"Debatable, from what I've read it's better to use Killing Machine proc for Howling Blast if Freezing Fog (Rime proc) is available. The reason is a HB crit + non-crit FS is better then a crit FS + non-crit HB. Additionally, FS crit rates are so high that you have a good chance of critting them both if you HB then FS."

That was on a dk site.

Thanks alot vio and also one more thing that i forgot. When is the perfect time to pop a haste pot, i pop one before entering combat so im guessing i should pop the next one right when i use my erw at 35% correct. But