Hunter discussion

[Tenshi]

Hi All,

I'm not from EU, but i know your the number 1 guild. Just wanted to seek advice and tips on my hunter.

Toon Name: Tenshi
Server: US
Realm: Stormscale

(**For some reason, wowarmory is not working properly right now)

Log from our 25man ICC encounter
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/t2cdkqzm ... amageDone/

I'm planning to gem ARP, wanted to ask for your advice on gear and such.

Thank you so much! and Kudos on killing the nasty Lich King!

More power to Paragon!

[Fortune]

Hi,
First of all, I'd like to say Gz on LK25 HC! Good job!
Armory Link: http://armory.wow-europe.com/character- ... cn=Fortrix

Anyways, I would like to ask a couple of questions that are DPS related.
First one up; Cooldowns! I currently have NES(reason being that I get aprox. 100% ARP when it proccs, if not - just a little less.) and DBW as trinkets. I also refresh my SrS when Exploit Weakness proccs and I know I can keep it up without having to refresh it.
I try to stack my cooldowns alot, but I am wondering what you normally would do on lets say.. Deathbringer Saurfang? What cooldowns do you pop in the start of the fight? I usually save my CotW for Bloodlust, and blow most of my cooldowns at the start of the fight. Should I use readiness early? On putricide for example, I use CotW at the start of the fight as I get to use it twice during the fight.
Should I blow cooldowns before or after attacking the boss and wait for trinket proccs?(They usually procc in the start xd)

Scenario #1: Blood Fury/Rapidfire #1, SrS, CS, (ICD Trinket proccs), AiS, Readiness, CS, AiS, SS spam/pop rapid fire(as soon as Rapid Fire #1 is over) - Continue rotation.

Scenario #2: SrS, CS, (ICD Trinket proccs), AiS, Rapidfire #1/Blood Fury, Readiness, CS, AiS, SS spam - Continue rotation. Save Rapidfire #2 for later trinket proccs ?

Secondly; Should I replace NES with Greatness or something similiar and gem arp?
I have around 700 arp passively from gear at the moment with 1 arp gem in my ring(had no other gem at the time so I just thought it would be a "good" idea to socket it while my ring was fresh and new). Should I replace it with a 20 agility meanwhile?

Thirdly; Should I replace my neck with anything? I know there are good alternatives out there, but which one should I aim for?

I am the hunter called Ambivalence in the log.
Here's a log for Deathbringer Saurfang 25, with the 5% damage increase buff. You may also take a look at what I did for other bosses and see what I could have done better etc. Did I do it right for saurfang? I was not on Beasts duty as we had alot of ranged taking care of those mobs. The other hunter in the raid also had 3/3 imp. HM without the Glyph. I would also like to add that I recently replaced Gloves with T10 i251 and Legs with Crafted i264. My previous ones was T9 i245 Gloves and T9 i245 Legs for the 2set T9 Bonus.


Cheers for reading this.
Fortrix

[projack]

Hey I was checking logs of some of the top guilds and I saw that hunter are pretty much toping dps on all encunters they are doing like from 15k on rotface and 27k on Blood queen lanathel I'm happy when I pull 11k on rotface My question is how they manage to do that much dps . Also whanted to ask you how is looking dps of Paragon hunters . 3rd question is This hunter that are toping dps have 40% uptime this T10 1st set bonus I read on some forum that when it procc you should refresh serpent sting and chimera and this procc will not vanished till the fight will end but i was doing that and I manage to keep it like for 20 sec not longer and some times it is vanishing after 10 sec Generaly for me it is proccing very random so I whant to ask do you have some tips of keeping this procc I now their is a way to keep this porcc becouse these hunter on every fight have like 40 % of this porcc But I don't know what is their secret so I'm asking do you have some tips to keep this procc?

[Kruf]

Hey I was checking logs of some of the top guilds and I saw that hunter are pretty much toping dps on all encunters they are doing like from 15k on rotface and 27k on Blood queen lanathel I'm happy when I pull 11k on rotface My question is how they manage to do that much dps .

Using bugged version of Fal'inrush, Defender of Quel'thalas. It was broken on US servers for a while after patch 3.3.3, with something like 470 base dps...

23k should be doable on BQL and 13k on Rotface with good gear, even more with awesome gear.

3rd question is This hunter that are toping dps have 40% uptime this T10 1st set bonus I read on some forum that when it procc you should refresh serpent sting and chimera and this procc will not vanished till the fight will end but i was doing that and I manage to keep it like for 20 sec not longer and some times it is vanishing after 10 sec Generaly for me it is proccing very random so I whant to ask do you have some tips of keeping this procc I now their is a way to keep this porcc becouse these hunter on every fight have like 40 % of this porcc But I don't know what is their secret so I'm asking do you have some tips to keep this procc?

You can't keep the proc up, but if you reapply sting with the proc up the sting will keep the proc bonus as long as you keep refreshing it with chimera shot. The proc itself is just random, if you're lucky you can get 40% uptime, but usually it's more like 25-30%.

PS. Sorry for taking the liberty to move this post into the correct thread without asking.

[projack]

still curious what amount of dps Paragon Hunters are doing ^ ^

[Kruf]

still curious what amount of dps Paragon Hunters are doing ^ ^

You can check some logs on WMO, though we're usually assigned to our special roles and rarely just blasting away at the boss except for a few fights. 12k+ on standstill with the 5% buff (22k+ on BQL with first bite - sucked on that kill though, mistimed some cooldowns), anyway, easily - could do more if I could get TotT and such but honestly it's much more important to me that the boss dies than that I'm at the top of the meters...

[projack]

Ofc it is more importent that boss dies but In my opinion, more and more people will be fallowing your gear choice selection glyph and what dps you are doing let's face it you are top1 guild and ppl always wanted to compete with top1 so That why i asked about dps ^^

[Nymerios]

Hi all and Very GZ for LK kill!
Armory Link: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... em&cn=Nyme
WoL report: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/fne5 ... 079&e=9375

So, i'm raiding as Surv and i got a question for you.
After agi and crit the best stat for a surv hunter is haste or ArP?
I'm going to take much ArP as possible in surv gear but some friend told me for surv ArP is not so good and haste is better cause surv crit a lot and do more autoshot is better.

I usually do from 9k to 10k dps on fight were i dont got a specific task in my gear as u can see in the log, 9k dps with 3vile glass on festergut, is it good?
(I know i'm 1-Hit overcapped and 2- got a bad prof like mining but 1- don't got decent piece to replace some stuff on my gear to lower hit atm, i'm still waiting gunship bracers... still never seen in my guild -.- and 2- atm progress in my guild is very low, just 7/12 and starting try on blood queen right now so i'm not changing it now XD)
And i have a question on MM "rotation"
I'm thinking to respec MM but i don't played MM yet in WoTLK and i don't know the exact priority (Arcane Shot is used in MM?).
Thx, sorry for my bad English (i'm Italian) and GZ again for HM LK 1st again :D

[eonaar]

So, if there are no sunders up and you have 100% arpen, effective armor on your physical attacks is:

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arpcap = (10643+16635)/3 = 9092
finalarmor = 10643-9092 = 1551


With sunders and faerie fire up, this becomes:

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armor = 10643*0.80*0.95 = 8088.68
arpcap = (8088.68+16635)/3 = 8241.23
finalarmor = 8088.68-8241.23 = -152.55


Thus, as you can see, having the armor reduction debuffs up does in fact matter even with "100%" arpen from gear.

Hey Kruf outstanding work on answering to all these forums, just to fellow hunter before asking a lot of questions try to avoid things like here is my armory and help me not suck. Cos if you are a starter you should have had done more research on u r class. Anyways, I have done a lil bit of work on ArP and for few who have a question like : Well I have certain percentage of ArP and I want to know how much percentage of armor i am exactly ignoring.

PS: This is based on the GC's quote that Arm Pen tool tip says UPTO% armor ignored but not excatly X% is being ignored. So u will notice how much your UPTO means when you have certain amount of % Arm Pen.
WITHOUT ANY ARMOR REDUCTION DEBUFFS ON BOSS

For 90% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = 2460 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 77%
For 95% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = 2005 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 81%
For 100% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = 1550 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 85.5%

WITH ARMOR REDUCTION DEBUFFS ON BOSS (Faerie Fire (-5%) + Sunder Armro x5 (-20%)= (-25% Armor reduction on Total boss armor)

For 90% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = 671 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 91.85%
For 95% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = 260 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 96.85%
For 100% Passive ArP we have : Effective Armor Remaining on boss = -152.55 ; Thus you have ignored a total of 101.85%

The base armor I took is form your calculation kruf, But I am assuming that is the effective armor on ICC raid bosses? cos in Ulduar the effective armor on bosses was 13084, I really wasn't sure abt this 10K armor please let me know if my armor values are not exact.

[Aftershock]

Hi All,

Hopefully someone with a little more insight than myself could take a look at what im doing at the moment. So if there is anything im missing.

WOL
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/8dvkunr8e02j6j28/
WOM
http://www.wowmeteronline.com//combat/log/1557573
ARMORY
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... Aftershock

I pre pot every fight i can. Use arp food and arp elixir as still under hard cap. However and can change Zod's to stake thrower to reach hard cap if that would yeild better dps. This is a bad idea as per Female dwarf.

Use normal rotation SrS/silence, Chim, AiM, 3 x steadies or 2 depeding on cool down left from chim. Ks every time off cooldown and silence on every shot along with kill command. Rf used twice at start of fight and wait for DBW to proc for 2nd lot. Use call of the wild with Hero along with a speed pot.

I use a addon called damaging when to re apply Srs depending on my buffs tricks/EW etc

One thing i have noticed is that my steadies are at 1.7 cast according to quartz as i only have 52 haste with out AOTH proccing not sure if this is that big of a issue. My gear is pretty much best i can get now just started hc on 10 man no luck on the boots/trink/gun/spear just yet.

I make some errors in fights but some times im soaring like this week i peaked at 17.1k on fest with out hero.

Thanks in advance :)