Need a little hunter help with firelands

[Firren]

Firelands have changed alot about my dps, i normaly do around the 22k, but at times in Firelands my dps drops to around the 12k. i know the bosses have Resistence, armor and sometimes alot of movement, but take Shannox as an output, a fight where a hunter would be able to stand completly still, ofc move when traps are under you. but even at such an easy fight i only hit around the 14-15k dps, same as survival or Marksman. so i would love if some one could look though my char.

Thanks to any that wanna look for a min :)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/q ... ren/simple

[LiQued]

Hey there,

Im a first time poster, and just joined this site, but when i took a look at your character, i did saw some things i wanted to point out to you.
I am however allways been, Survival and still am so if you have specific problems with MM i cant really help you with that.

First thing that cought my eye was that your reforging is a bit crooked.
example:
You have reforged the stats on your Neck like this -> 50 Mastery rating into 50 Crit rating
and
You have reforged the stats on you 2nd Ring like this -> 56 Crit rating into 56 Mastery rating
-With 2 reforged items you have gained 6 crit rating, that are not alot of stats.

if we then take a look at the Total outcome of your reforging it is like this:
-262 Crit rating +227 Crit rating (you are actually reforging More Crit rating away then that you gain back)
-128 Mastery rating +214 Mastery rating (Mastery is good when you have reached hit cap haste soft cap and cant reforge into crit)
-127 Hit rating + 76 Haste (i will come to the +haste below here)
so my first advice would be to take a look into your reforging.

Secondly and that is only if you are staying Survival as i saw that it was the first in your duel-spec.
Your highest dps spell *Explosive Shot* has a cooldown of six seconds. together with a global cooldown it means you have 5seconds to fill.
wich also means with a cast time of 1.66 seconds on you *Cobra Shot*, you can cast it 3 times. and then you ES is of cooldown again. Together with your Pathing and Hunting Party you would only need arround 6.63% haste.
At the moment you have 15% haste. wich means you have alot of time waiting on cooldowns..or shooting more CS..and not casting you highest ability.
so (and im saying again i dont know if this applys to MM, but for Survival it sure does), you dont really need so much haste.

Regards,
Pemburu - Survival Hunter of Spark, Runetotem EU

[Elvel]

MM period.

Why? MM scales way better than SV does even in patch 4.2. So in the end the BA buff (which isnt even top of the roll-out in any dmg-addon). So in the end MM will still scale better, and the 10% nerf on CA won't affect hunters that much since all you CD's are popped within 90% anywayz. Unless you have more bosses on 1 encounter, but then you're gonna save you 2x CD's on the 2nd boss anywayz. So in the end it doesnt change the current spec-states only abit less crit for 10% during the old CA phase. MM it is.

Rotatio:

Hunter’s Mark
Serpent Sting
Chimera Shot
Kill Shot (if available)
Aimed Shot
Steady Shot

I don't use arcane shot but sometimes it's useful.


http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... vel/simple

SV is still best AoE spect..

You can check my dps logs if you want: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/y2y5 ... amageDone/

[LiQued]

Not to start a discussion on somebody else his Threath..
but i cant recall Firren asking wich spec is better.
he asked what he has to do to get to that 22k dps he did before Firelands.

[Firren]

Liqued i find your out points very nice and i see your point with the reforge, the haste part ive always thought you should go full out but ive looked thought alot of the posts and seen that i have way to much haste

to the part about the specs, i find Survival much more fun then Marksman, Mm will always be higher dps i know, but i find survival more fun but i switch all the time back and forth.

Just to be completly sure Liqued about my rotation could we talk abit about that aswell ? :)

[LiQued]

Right the rotation.
You have these abilities that you will use:
Hunters Mark
Explosive Shot (ES)
Black Arrow (BA)
Serpent Sting (SS)
Cobra Shot (CS)
Arcane Shot (AS)
Kill Shot (KS)

Allways start with Hunters Mark ofcourse since it will boost your Attack Power against that target.
After that you want to have your highest damage dealing abilities on the boss as soon as possible.

So the rotation should be in a perfect situation, without moving or using other hunter abilities such as Tranq-shot would be:
ES -> BA -> SS -> CS -> CS

Because of the Refreshing abilitie of CS for your SS you wont have to re-aplly SS so after the first set of attacks you will drop that one from your rotation. And because of the 30seconds cooldown on BA, you wont cast it that frequently.

Therefor after the first set it will look a bit like this
ES -> CS -> CS -> CS -> ES
And rince and repeat.

Now if you get the Lock and Load Proc
Best way to handle that is like this:
ES -> CS -> ES -> AS(CS) -> ES
Only use AS if you have enough focus left to cast the 3th ES and if needed the BA because its again a bit of dps lost if you have to cast a CS after the 3th ES to gain enough focus to cast BA.

And when the boss is below 20% you ofcourse want to use your KS as frequently as possible, so as soon as it is of cooldown you want to press that button.

hope it made a bit of sence... :)

Regards,
Pemburu - Hunter of Spark, Runetotem EU

[Kruf]

There's nothing special about Firelands - if you're able to pull 22k dps elsewhere you ought to be able to do it in Firelands also, the bosses definitely do not seem to have more armor/resistance/whatever. Perhaps you feel uncomfortable with the new content and pay too much attention to things other than your own dps cycle?

I don't have time to fully comment on all the discussion right now but a couple of points:

1) MM is not very far ahead of SV in single target dps on most fights, SV is far superior on sustained AoE (but the situation is nearly even with burst AoE)
2) 1.66sec Cobra Shot is not the only option for working SV cycle

I'll return to the topic when I have a little more free time between raids...

[Firren]

Right the rotation.

Right nothing new there. But a big thanks LiQued for your time :)

To Kruf that might be the point, might just be me that are looking to much on things and forgeting my rotation at times.
Il be looking forward for when you have the time to look abit more Kruf. :)

[Sintry]

MM period.

Why? MM scales way better than SV does even in patch 4.2. So in the end the BA buff (which isnt even top of the roll-out in any dmg-addon). So in the end MM will still scale better, and the 10% nerf on CA won't affect hunters that much since all you CD's are popped within 90% anywayz. Unless you have more bosses on 1 encounter, but then you're gonna save you 2x CD's on the 2nd boss anywayz. So in the end it doesnt change the current spec-states only abit less crit for 10% during the old CA phase. MM it is.

Rotatio:

Hunter’s Mark
Serpent Sting
Chimera Shot
Kill Shot (if available)
Aimed Shot
Steady Shot

I don't use arcane shot but sometimes it's useful.


http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... vel/simple

SV is still best AoE spect..

You can check my dps logs if you want: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/y2y5 ... amageDone/

First off, you should be using Arcane shot instead of Aimed Shot as it's the best focus dump and you should be glyphed for it aswell. Secondly your gemming is wrong. You haven't even gemmed for the socket bonus in your chest which is kind of silly. You also gemmed for the socket bonus in your belt which again is silly, switch the Glinting Demonseye in your belt into your Chest and put a Delicate Inferno Ruby into your belt. Only gem for socket bonuses if the bonus is +20 agility or more on an item with 2 sockets, one being red or if the bonus is +30 agility or more on an item with 3 sockets, one of them being red. Also, we don't have a rotation, it's a priority list and outside of CA phase, Aimed Shot shouldn't be used unless it's instant, which replaces an Arcane Shot.
According to armory you also have 9.03% hit chance which is 1% too high and you have 1460 Haste Rating. In your gear with the 4 piece tier set bonus from T11 i would suggest dropping Hit for Crit until you're at as close to 8% as you can get and dropping 160 haste until you're at 1300. I would then replace Rapid Fire glyph for Chimera Shot glyph and your Aimed Shot glyph for Arcane Shot.

[evildogs]

hi my hunter does bout 16k on a dummy when i enter firelands i do bout 25k so it may be your spec and/or rotation