Hunter discussion

[Kruf]

Hi there,I tried to read all questions and answers and i am sorry if u allready answered my this question.
My question is that i have 'whispering fanged skull' and greatness as trinkets.Should i change greatness with 'herkuml war token'? I am MM hunter with 264 bow and 1092 arp.I cant decide it.Im waiting for your answer.thanks in advance and good luck with lk on 25 hc.

HWT might be a slight upgrade. Hard to say exactly as you didn't provide an armory link.

[incoGnito]

ty very much for your detailed ans. and for clarifying this subject.


P.s

"Funny you should ask, considering you're giving advice to people here."

well, i can stop advising others if moderators ask me to, afterall i am a guest in this site and if my contribution is not contributing i can understand why moderators ask for this.

[Falsar]

Hello, I'm a hunter who decent gear atm and I'm deciding whether to start gemming ArmPen or to stick to my agility build. Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Falsar
In my bag I have Hersir's Greatspear and Saurfang's cold-forged band (both itmlvl 251) for extra armpen, which would put me over 1k. I do 8-9k dps on average right now, but haven't raided in a couple of weeks. What do you recommend?
Thanks.

[Astrodancer]

Ahoy i know im not Kruf, and i don't know as much, but i know quite some stuff and I would suggest for you to gem full arp and then exchange the chest with the t10 one and get Deathbringers Will from 25 man an use Hersirs greatspear. You would have around the 1.2-1.3k Arp and thats quite a lot and would probably boost your DPS but thats júst my opinion :)

[Tamashi]

femaledwarf.com is your friend.

[Puruvana]

Hello.

I'm in need of some advice, regarding MM hunters. I just recently switched from SV to MM, so my gear might not be that optimal for MM. But I do feel I can do better.

I've been reading forums and spent a lot of time around spreadsheets. And in raids I've been testing different stuff out. And I have slowly improved, though I am hoping to speed things up a bit.

http://armory.wow-europe.com/character- ... n=Puruvana

So let's for example take Saurfang 25M Heroic.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-g ... 05&e=12085

I'm interested in anything people can suggest how I could improve my DPS.

Yes, it wasn't a perfect fight from my side. Didn't pre-pot + popped readiness too late, so I was late with The 4th Rapid Fire. Those are obvious slip ups. If you could point out any buffs i was missing or didn't receive, would appreciate it. Didn't have a warrior in the raid during that kill, so missed the sunders :(

So a few thoughts I'm having..

I was wondering though. Would Glyph of Chimera Shot be better on this certain fight, because while killing the adds, where you want to use chimera aswell for best dps on them, i would be able to refresh my sting with chimera on the boss without letting it drop? Especially if I have TotT and Exploit Weakness + CotH modified on that sting.

Also wanted to know, would it be wise to manually apply Furious Howl with trinket procs, or just let it go on automatic.

When to use CotW. I see a lot of people using it during BL, though I do think popping it with Rapid Fire, would be more efficient.

Would 65AP on Weapons be better than Agility.

My understanding is that if a hunter can manage a TotT and Exploit Weakness on himself on the same time and refresh the sting on the boss, that's the way to get the highest damage out of Chimera Shot.

Any other tips or things I might be doing wrong are more than helpful. Or if there are any sites you can refer me to. I've been trying to find some useful info on heroic fights, concerning Hunters, but still haven't really found one that i would be happy with. Still have to test everything myself as some of the strategies are flawed. But i guess not everything can be spoon fed.

So yea, that pretty much sums it up for now. I think..

Cheers,
Puru.

[Kruf]

I just recently switched from SV to MM, so my gear might not be that optimal for MM. But I do feel I can do better.

I've been reading forums and spent a lot of time around spreadsheets. And in raids I've been testing different stuff out. And I have slowly improved, though I am hoping to speed things up a bit.

http://armory.wow-europe.com/character- ... n=Puruvana

Your gearing choices seem to be quite good for the most part. Better than most of the people in this thread asking for help, in fact.

I'd spec that pet into 1/2 Wild Hunt rather than Shark Attack though.

So let's for example take Saurfang 25M Heroic.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-g ... 05&e=12085

I'm interested in anything people can suggest how I could improve my DPS.

Yes, it wasn't a perfect fight from my side. Didn't pre-pot + popped readiness too late, so I was late with The 4th Rapid Fire. Those are obvious slip ups. If you could point out any buffs i was missing or didn't receive, would appreciate it.

It's hard to tell, WoL doesn't show constant buffs you had over the whole fight.

Didn't have a warrior in the raid during that kill, so missed the sunders :(

Expose Armor 11 264.7 94.2 %

That's just as good as sunders, anyway.

I was wondering though. Would Glyph of Chimera Shot be better on this certain fight, because while killing the adds, where you want to use chimera aswell for best dps on them, i would be able to refresh my sting with chimera on the boss without letting it drop? Especially if I have TotT and Exploit Weakness + CotH modified on that sting.

This is why I use Chimera glyph in my normal setup. Most of the ICC fights have some adds you need to shoot, and having the glyph makes it possible to not lose sting on boss itself in some situations, which saves a GCD.

Also wanted to know, would it be wise to manually apply Furious Howl with trinket procs, or just let it go on automatic.

Depends on how much you have time to micromanage the cooldowns. It has 50% uptime, and you really don't want to delay too much just for some trinket procs...

When to use CotW. I see a lot of people using it during BL, though I do think popping it with Rapid Fire, would be more efficient.

With any haste buff. Obviously the bigger haste buff the better, but it doesn't really matter that much since any haste buff will make Steady Shot clip into GCD and after that you don't really gain that much more dps from haste.

Would 65AP on Weapons be better than Agility.

Don't know; check spreadsheet/simulationcraft. I've always had one of the 2h weapons.

My understanding is that if a hunter can manage a TotT and Exploit Weakness on himself on the same time and refresh the sting on the boss, that's the way to get the highest damage out of Chimera Shot.

Yes, though it isn't that huge without 2T9 since total damage done by sting is pretty low with full arpen setup. DKs benefit much more from TotT rolling.

[Astrodancer]

Sorry didn't how how to reply to the hunter discussion thats why I posted a new topic (unknowing that that would happen) well heres the question:

Ahoy im a o.k geared hunter. I've got the rotations and macros but my dps sucks epicly can't really figure out why :( it probably will be gear lack but really wanna know :) i've got the macros and some stuff from Kripparrian in Exodus US-Ysondre if u know him :) also got a really nice UI from him, can u link urs maybe? would be really nice. you can make addon packs in http://wow.curse.com/downloads/packs/default.aspx
also heres my armory link:http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&cn=Astrodancer&gn=The+Last+Crusaders

It could be that i havent played in a week or two now because my PC is at the repair shop. So im kinda broke that could lead to my very very bad professions, and my ranged wep sucks alot.

Thank you
Astro

[Puruvana]

Heya again.

It's hard to tell, WoL doesn't show constant buffs you had over the whole fight.

Well as I usually try to keep an eye on the buffs/debuffs during a fight. Important things for hunters being
¤Blessing of Might/Kings/Wisdom/Sanctuary (yes we have 4 pallies usually :-) )
¤Trueshot Aura or either the DK or an Enhancement Shaman AP buff
¤Leader of the Pack
¤Arcane Empowerment for 3% dmg increase. Or a ret pally. And on a rare occasion a BM hunter
¤3% haste from moonkin
¤Spirit/Intellect buff
¤GotW
¤Fortitude
¤Windfury totem
¤Heroism
¤Replenishment
¤DK Horn

As for food I use Hearty Rhino with Elixir of Armor Piercing and Mighty Thoughts and speed potions as pots. Only If I see that i won't go oom and I don't need to use a Mana one.

As for debuffs on boss. Well,

¤Hunter's mark.
¤Mangle (which is awesome as they buffed the uptime on it this patch)
¤Faerie Fire
¤Sunder or as you said Expose Armor, which i completely forgot about when on Saurfang.
¤JoW
¤Totem of Wrath
¤Ebon Plague


Anything I missed?

This is why I use Chimera glyph in my normal setup. Most of the ICC fights have some adds you need to shoot, and having the glyph makes it possible to not lose sting on boss itself in some situations, which saves a GCD.

Yea. So one should just carry a stack of both Glyphs with them and on fights like BQ Kill Shot Glyph should be a better option ?

Depends on how much you have time to micromanage the cooldowns. It has 50% uptime, and you really don't want to delay too much just for some trinket procs...

Mhm. I get what you are saying. What I usually do is when the fight starts, I have it on manual and I set it to automatic with the first trinket proc. It isn't in a perfect sync, no. Since FH has a 40 seconds CD and the trinket has 45 and DBW has 1:45. Hopefully the first proc doesn't take too long and well when the trinkets come off CD they proc right away pretty much. Not sure how much better this is, not much i guess. But it's most likely the same amount of DPS as if I left it on automatic from the start. Also disabling Furious Howl before boss mechanics like Tear Gas, so I make sure I have it off CD when I enter P3.

With any haste buff. Obviously the bigger haste buff the better, but it doesn't really matter that much since any haste buff will make Steady Shot clip into GCD and after that you don't really gain that much more dps from haste.

More haste also means more auto shots, so having CotW with Rapid Fire would actually mean more DPS. Yea, I mean you are right, any haste buff will get your Steady Shot to 1.5. There is no haste cap for auto shot, is there?

Yes, though it isn't that huge without 2T9 since total damage done by sting is pretty low with full arpen setup. DKs benefit much more from TotT rolling.

Yeah. That's usually how we roll in our raids. DK's and Affli Locks? (so not sure about this) will get it first. Though I usually want 1 in the beginning and then once more when my tier procs. On a single target fight that's enough if i can keep the sting up.




But overall I'm still pretty shocked if I see the DPS hunters are doing on LOGS. I mean I'm like 2-3-4k behind in Damage Per Second. Just makes you wonder. Is gear that big of an upgrade, is it skills, is it luck, is it right gameplay or good raid setup. And most likely it's all of those combined. I just wanna figure out how to improve and do it if i can.

Cheers vol 2,
Puru.

[Radioskpup]

Ello ello, first things first, I'm not really here to ask you guys to hold my hand, I'm just here basically to get some tips which could potentially get a rise out of my DPS, in terms of min-maxing and such.

First off, the armory profile:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... Radioskpup

Please note that all of the logs / information I will provide have these pieces of gear differing from my armory:

- Hersir's Greatspear(H), I had a Twin's Pact(H) at the time (20 Arp Gemmed)
- Saurfang's Band(H), I had a Planestalker's Band(H) at the time (20 Arp Gemmed)
- Rock-Steady Treads, I had the 245 mail boots from Twins 25 (20 Arp Gemmed)

Also, I raid at 300ms (Australian Player), eat Hearty Rhino and drink Flasks of Endless Rage (Just for convenience over using Elixirs of Armor Piercing and Mighty Thoughts). I also lack an Imp HM in my raids. And also, I love my troll, even if orcs are theoretically better :P

My priority rotation:
Kill > SrS > Aim / Multi > Chim > Arcane (Only if moving) > Steady
I use aimed instead of chim as it sims higher for me with my level of gear. I also refresh serpent sting on my first expose weakness when I am certain I will be able to maintain it on that target for an extended period of time.

My preferred cooldown usage:
I will typically blow my cooldowns at the beginning of most fights like this:
SrS > Aim > Chim > RF / CotW / Readiness / Zerking > Aim > Chim > Steadies > Aim > Chim > RF / Speed Pot > Steadies > continue as normal

The fights that this typically differs on are:
- BQL, I prepot, so speed pot isn't used till bloodlust on last round of bites
- Dreamwalker, I only use my CDs in emergencies on VD
- LK, I either prepot or save my pot for p2.5
- PP, I either prepot or save the pot for p3
- Sindra, I prepot and use other pot at our pre p3 lust burn (when we are pushing her over)
- And other prepot situations when I feel like it :P

On most fights I will hold off my 2nd RF / Readiness / Shot reset until the execute phase, which usually times well with my guilds DPS, if the fight is long enough for CotW to be used again, I will use it at the beginning and at the next important burn phase. For example, Sindragosa, I will use CotW at pull and at lust pre-p3, PP, on pull and in p3.

I currently use the kill shot glyph because femaledwarf whines at me for using the Chim Shot glyph and the general consensus is that the Chimera Shot glyph is bad for players with my level of latency, Serp Sting and Steady glyphs are self explanatory.

Here are my latest logs (remember to account the difference in gear mentioned earlier:

- Marrowgar (Bone Spiked 2 times, sigh)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... s=94&e=231

- Deathwhisper (I'm not required to perform add duty on this fight)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... =552&e=758

- Saurfang (I frost trap and emergency DPS / Distract shots adds when needed)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... 912&e=2102

- Festergut (Lag spikes and 2x vomit ftw)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... 916&e=3151

- Rotface (Great attempt for me, got 1-2 mutated infections, nothing too serious)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... 340&e=3564

I'm not really going to bother you guys about movement / add fights in particular, due to the individual playstyle requirements needed to maximise DPS in those fights, but I'm just gonna ask for tips on how to maximise my DPS further in general, for tank and spanks and movement fights. Something like methods you employ in certain fights to give you that extra edge, and ways that you handle having to move (stagger stepping, disengaging, etc) and add swap. Perhaps even some gear tips (rather than chuck more ilvl at it) would help. I know that I'm doing well, but I know that a player can never be doing as much as he can be, and the only way to improve is to ask questions with his peers and superiors. I look forward to your response(s). :P