Paragon vs 10ppl HEROICS

[ztn]

Everybody knows that 10ppl HM's now is 10x harder than 25ppl and some encounters like V+T considered impossible. May be PARAGON have some plans to enter 10ppl and than post some sort of comparison?

[Kruf]

Try reading one of the other threads discussing this same topic.

[ztn]

may be it's

As soon as we get the 10-man heroics done (probably some time after we've cleared all of 25-man heroic raids), I'll be writing a rather lengthy article about it.

So now 25-man heroic raids cleared and i'am interested if 10ppl HEROICS is 2-3month perspective or it's 1-2 weeks?

[Hermanni]

On the contrary, nobody knows if 10M is harder or not on most bosses. I haven't really seen any good argument on why they would theoretically be harder or any proof why they would technically be harder, apart from Aberrations on Maloriak and Twilight Sentries on V&T, both of which I assume have been fixed. Perhaps the reason for such design flaws is that there probably wasn't much testing done on 10HC in beta, which is why they might have gone unnoticed to live.

I rather doubt any individual or guild has extensively done both 10HC and 25HC, so nobody really seems to be in a position to give a fair evaluation. I don't claim that I have any experience on the matter, the only 10-man heroic boss I've tried since beta was Al'akir, which did feel easier there. Personally, I don't really want to take "bosses are impossible" for an argument because afterall, many bosses in our progress path did certainly feel more or less impossible to us (and I'm sure to many others) but someone always found a way.

As for if and when we are doing 10-man heroics, I'm not really in a position to answer. There isn't really anything for us in 10HC that would make many of us want to break our relaxing farm schedule.

[ztn]

It's a pity that PARAGON interested only in wowprogress rating and mass epics. 10ppl HM's now is elite bracket that nobody even close to comlete and it's so strange that top1 guild decide to ignore real challenge after 25ppl faceroll...

[Rein]

lol troll, I could expand, but that covers it.

[xenophics]

It's a pity that PARAGON interested only in wowprogress rating and mass epics. 10ppl HM's now is elite bracket that nobody even close to comlete and it's so strange that top1 guild decide to ignore real challenge after 25ppl faceroll...

We have explained our reasons, of which the biggest is that we want to give our players possibility to relax after the grind. Pushing the matter further from this is considered trolling so please don't do it.

[opex]

Blizzard gave to the small guilds, group of irl friends which dont want or cant expand, on low populated realms, with many pvp players, with low good-player base, like most are, and i can continue counting reason after reason here, the opportunity to experience that what the bugger guilds and raids are experiencing.

For me, personally, its very lame to tell 10m is harder/weaker than 25m. On one boss it will be harder, on other - not.

Every raiding guild is watching wowprogress.

ztn, tell me, a guild like Paragon, which had 3 raids to gear up for LK25HC, and beat everyone in the world on 25 this tier, where could it be in wowprogress, when now it can form at least 3 10m for as start, with 35 members and calculate the possibility to get first a kill with all 3 of them raiding simultaneously and what is the point of all this when the whole guild goes up in the charts, no matter which one of the raids got the kill.

[ztn]

"If I take this topic one bit further I'll get banned from Paragon's forum". Edited by xenophics.

2nd edit, you got warned once already so you are now banned. We don't support trolling.

[pivich]

Just ignore him, it's well known troll from russian guild Shenanigans, which progress he places over Paragon, Ensidia and other top guilds, based on 10 ppl statistics 2 or 3 weeks old.

His main argument was "abberations much harder in 10HM mode so 10Hm mode >>> all" but since their was hotfixed (and afaik the was only problem with incorrect display).

So, it's better to simple ignore him, i guess.
he's stubborn