Haste - a myth?

[Jhazrun II]

Hey everyone!

I have been walking through some guides and tips around the web saying that Holy priests should stack haste to around 12% including the tallent "Darkness", but when i check Jhazrun and other top healers around the world I see their haste bein more like 7%. I ofc know that there are several different healing roles and with your gear and skills you can prioritize a bit differently, but amount of hast should be achieved by a:
- Raidhealing holy priest
- raidhealing disc priest

Best Regards
Jhaz

[cellar123]

I'm sure the 12% does include the Raid buff for 5%. So really just 4% gear 3% darkness and 5% raid buff. This 12% haste gives you the 6th tick of renew and that is why most people will get this since 12% is really easy(only 4% in gear, 3% for goblins)

[Jhazrun]

With Darkness and the above-mentioned raid buff, 4.03% Haste (516 rating) is required to total 1.0403 x 1.03 x 1.05 = 1.125 = +12.5%, which generates the additional Renew/Hymn tick, and is the minimum and the maximum one should keep for Holy. Discipline, on the other hand, would prefer as much Haste as possible for ten-mans, and barely none at all for 25s.

[Jhazrun II]

Oh and how could I not figure that out...

Well thanks Jhazrun :)

[artiq]

With Darkness and the above-mentioned raid buff, 4.03% Haste (516 rating) is required to total 1.0403 x 1.03 x 1.05 = 1.125 = +12.5%, which generates the additional Renew/Hymn tick, and is the minimum and the maximum one should keep for Holy. Discipline, on the other hand, would prefer as much Haste as possible for ten-mans, and barely none at all for 25s.

Why is it that haste is prefered for Disc in 10 mans but not in 25 mans?

[Jhazrun]

Why is it that haste is prefered for Disc in 10 mans but not in 25 mans?

Thanks to PW:S, 25-man Discipline is never throttled by casting speed, while ten-man environments rarely accommodate limitless Shielding.

[artiq]

Why is it that haste is prefered for Disc in 10 mans but not in 25 mans?

Thanks to PW:S, 25-man Discipline is never throttled by casting speed, while ten-man environments rarely accommodate limitless Shielding.

Sorry, but I don't fully grasp your sentence, I believe. Do you mean that 10 man doesn't usually allow you to shield limitlessly like in 25 man, where you have more targets to shield and therefor it is good to have a lot of haste in 10 man because it improves your casting speed since you have to cast since you can't just be shielding?

[Jhazrun]

Sorry, but I don't fully grasp your sentence.

Haste, by default, is an excellent healer stat. In 25-mans, however, PW:S allows Discipline to convert its available mana into effective health at such an unprecedented rate that Haste becomes redundant.

[Sylphura]

With Darkness and the above-mentioned raid buff, 4.03% Haste (516 rating) is required to total 1.0403 x 1.03 x 1.05 = 1.125 = +12.5%, which generates the additional Renew/Hymn tick, and is the minimum and the maximum one should keep for Holy.

Keeping this formula in mind, when solving it out for each point of Darkness I found:

3/3 Darkness (3%) what is stated in above quote.

2/3 Darkness (2%) : 1.125 = 1.05 x 1.02 x 1.0504
…which would be 646 Haste rating on gear.

1/3 Darkness (1%) : 1.125 = 1.05 x 1.01 x 1.0608
…which would be 779 Haste rating on gear.

0/3 Darkness (0%) : 1.125 = 1.05 x 1.00 x 1.0714
…which would be 915 Haste rating on gear.

Calculations based on 128 Haste rating required per 1%, rounding up to the nearest whole Haste rating.

On your gear, I see you have 727 Haste rating at 1/3 Darkness (in your Holy gear/spec). Does this not find you below the 12.5% threshold? I've thought that your spec is possibly based on the content you're doing and there may be certain things you're trying to achieve with it, but generally speaking, wouldn't it be optimal for you to either reforge to more Haste to reach 779 Haste, or put another point in Darkness and drop as much as 81 Haste rating to be at the 646 Haste threshold? Did I make some mathematical error or am I missing something else entirely?

[Jhazrun]

On your gear, I see you have 727 Haste rating at 1/3 Darkness (in your Holy gear/spec). Does this not find you below the 12.5% threshold?

The Armory just doesn't like the random-suffix ring. It's currently reforged for 57 additional Haste that isn't actually counted on the profile.