4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 24 Dec 2011 03:25

User avatarGuromin
 
Posts: 190
Volrather,

Logs:

You cannot compare logs like that. Those two logs you linked have multiple fights, with different mechanics and trash included in it. The only fair way to compare logs is when they are the same fight. For example my damage on Zon'ozz is much higher than my damage on Ultraxion because Zon'ozz takes 10% more damage after each bounce and Ultraxion does not ever take any additional damage.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-r ... target=200

You need to keep Living Bomb up more. It's okay for it to fall off for a few seconds or to wait on refreshing it to use Hot Streak procs for Combustion but it can't be off the boss for that long. It looks like over a minute that Living Bomb was not cast which is just too long. Also, try to use Flame Orb more often. You only used it 3 times in a 5 minute fight. Flame orb

Combustion:

Getting a large combustion is based on the size of the ignite and the presence of the Pyroblast! dot and Living Bomb. Most of the damage from Combustion is from Ignite which is why it's so important to use Combustion while

First of all does Ignite stack?


Yes it can, but doesn't "normally". There is not enough theory crafting out there to know for sure how to achieve this except that it requires two critical strikes to hit the boss within two seconds of each other. It's incredibly unpredictable, but should it occur and a large ignite is on the boss (like 30k+) it should be taken advantage of. This is one instance of where fire has high RNG.

Second thing for example shall I cast combustion after seeing 1 rly high crit immidietly?


Don't cast it when you see a big crit, but when Ignite ticks for a large amount.

What is high crit now for good combustion?


This scale is based on my gear, but it may apply to you.

0-15k Bad. Really bad.
16-19k only if you have to
20-23k is decent. This is a common ignite for me.
24k-26k strong
27-30k really strong
30-40k Ignite stacking and really really strong
41k+ Use combustion. Like now.

Keep in mind that bosses that take additional damage will cause the scale to change with it. It just takes some good judgement to decide what to take.

One more if I am trying to get high combustion while spamming FB using hot streak is wise or no?


Absolutely use Hot Streak procs. Most good ignites will come from a Hot Streak proc.

Gear:

What you are wearings looks fine. Your reforging doesn't really make sense to me. I would suggest you use Wowreforge.com for your reforging. Enter in these values:

Hit to at least 1742 (value over cap = 0)
Haste to at least 1505 (value over cap = 1.2)
Crit close to (any really big number like 3000)

This should help to make your reforging more optimal in terms of getting closer to the hit cap and obtaining more crit rating.

Hope it helps,

-Guromin

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 24 Dec 2011 12:20

Avatar Fumble
 
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Guromin wrote:
0-15k Bad. Really bad.
16-19k only if you have to
20-23k is decent. This is a common ignite for me.
24k-26k strong
27-30k really strong
30-40k Ignite stacking and really really strong
41k+ Use combustion. Like now.


I noticed that the pre pull pre potted hard casted pyroblast is very often a crit. With my equip is about 16.5k ignite. Can you please report the ignite you get in the same situation just to see how much i have to adjust the above table for my gear level ?

many thanks

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 24 Dec 2011 13:29

Avatar hailofthechamber
 
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i actually found the answer too this post, ty however and have a good crimbo!
Last edited by hailofthechamber on 25 Dec 2011 13:47, edited 1 time in total.

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 24 Dec 2011 14:14

Avatar Volrather
 
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Thank you for really clear answer. Reforged everything as this site told me to.

Two more things:

1. Does WoW reforge optimize gems etc?
2. So I should wait with casting Combustion until first Ignite tick (when I will see it on MyBigIgnite)? Just to be sure. :)

P.S. Now I see site AskMrRobot is rly bad in optimizing reforges :).

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 24 Dec 2011 16:48

Avatar Agneekak23
 
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Hi Guromin

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/T ... k/advanced

This is my Armory, would you please have look at it and tell me if you see anything that I need to change reforge/gemming wise. I went for Haste to 1505 though i do not have the t13 4set bonus. Should I instead go for 2505 Haste then?

I also want to know if i should keep my 2set bonus from t12. I can remove my t13 gloves for the t12 ones. Not sure what is the best?

Can you lastly explain to me why you should not use Mirror Image and Flame Orb when building up for Combustion?

Thank you very much and goodluck with Madness HC and of course Merry Xmas to the whole of DREAM Paragon.
Agneekak

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 27 Dec 2011 08:15

User avatarGuromin
 
Posts: 190
@Fumble,

I have no idea what my initial pre-cast Pyrobast crits for. I don't think I have ever used Combustion on it because there always seems to be something better shortly after. I will say that I often (all the time) see Ignite ticks of around 18-19k. Those are the most common for me. Anything above that I consider to be good.

@Volrathor

WowReforge does not optimize gems and yes you should wait for MyBigIgnite to show the value. Be ready to cast Combustion in a heart beat.

Merry Christmas to you too :)

@Agneekak23

I've made several statements about the best time to switch tier sets before so in the future please refer back to previous comments:)

  • Reforge to 1505 with t13 2 set or better
  • Do not use just a 2 set if either 4 set is owned

I've been doing a lot of testing recently to answer the question "How do I get a big Ignite?" and before I had just theories, but now I think I have an answer. So here is the full explination of why you should not use GCD's while attempting to get a large ignite and use combustion:

I did some testing and if a target is crit twice (or more) before ignite ticks (after 2 seconds) the strength of the ignite's will stack. It won't double, but it will be much stronger than before. The part that is still sketchy is what happens if a second crit is received after ignite ticks. Sometimes it will stack, sometimes it will refresh the power of the previous one, and a few times it stacked the duration of the ignite (making a new 6 second ignite) on the training dummy). still testing there so I won't go into detail. Anyway, the reason you should not sure Mirror Images or Flame orb is because it's 1 less second Combustion isn't on GCD and it disrupts ignite, often causing it to fall off. In order for Ignite to have even a chance of stacking there must be something for ignite to stack on. Using a GCD will often cause ignite to fall before the target is hit again. I you are catching on here, but I'm running out of ways to describe it... Let me know if I haven't really explained it well enough and I will try to rephrase.

Here is a quick summery:

Mirror Images and Flame Orb are not affected by haste and the buff they receive from intellect is less important than the one on Fireball because it double dips (Fireball hits harder, ignite ticks for more damage, and hopefully a larger ignite is on the target).
Casting instant casts that do not cause Ignite (anything but Hot Streak) can prevent getting a good ignite.


Sorry for the delayed responses, I was enjoying the holidays as I hope you all did, as well :)

-Guromin

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 27 Dec 2011 10:07

Avatar Cooleded
 
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Hello.
I'm just wondering and confused about the really good rotation for Single target bosses rotation ,Also i wonder to know what rotation should i use at Death wing fight to Max dps.

i i'll post my armory and tell me if there is some thing wrong with my states/reforges.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ded/simple



Merry Christmas Guromin.

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 28 Dec 2011 10:03

Avatar Fumble
 
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I finally looted my 4t13 and i'm wondering how i can made best use of it.

I try to explain: looking at how the t13 works my impression is that 4t13 is more a sort of insurance against bad ignite proc for combustion use. If reforge for 1705 or 1755 haste i get a window from 5-6 stack of stolen time to 10 stacks for optimal combustion use. Basically i can wait for a good ignite without the fear of loosing a combustion use in the fight.

There is some logic in what i have wrote or i should reforge for 1505 haste ?

many thanks

Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 29 Dec 2011 03:37

Avatar Kerbaroth
 
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Re: 4.3 Brief Fire Guide

Post 29 Dec 2011 06:28

Avatar Agneekak23
 
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Hi Guromin

I apologize, I did not see the other comment about the 1505 Haste.

Thank you for the reply, I just have another question for you regarding trinkets.

Is there any specific trinkets that are better on certain fights, especially for Madness and when you have to go Arcane for Spine.

Thank you very much, and congratz on 8/8HC.
Agneekak