Warlock discussion

[iShKafel]

@ Diivil

a highly constructive question here!

What is your Felgaurd's name?

[Hautiejah]

Greetings,

My question most likely be to Tsukky about affliction

Recently respeced to affli and I am wonderind if I am doing something very very wrong or I just have very bad luck with procs.

I am constantly check WOL reports to see what can be improved in my play and i come across one lock from US Apollex (link below) who did amazing on saurfang (15K dps). His gear is slightly better than mine(more SP more crit) and he have good racial, but he is doing like 3,5K more than me on the same fight.
Looking at his buffs details he was little bit lucky with 4t10 and eradication procs, and BL had better uprime (cos his fight was 50 sec shorter than ours) but still 3,5K more!!

The above make me think that I am missing something very important but I dont know what exactly. I am not clipping dots, keep haunt up, keep SE stacks up, keep my dots up using haste pot and DS at 25% and less... Still it looks like i am missing some huge DPS somewhere.

Any ideas where i fail? (apart from the fact that i forgot to equip NMIC before saurfang on that kill)

Links:
My armory
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Hautiejah
Link to the Saurfang 25 log (10% buff)
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-o68d2 ... 483&e=3687

Armory of Apollex
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... cn=Apollex
His Saurfang 25 log (same buff i suppose)
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/1fi7d5vc ... 28#Apollex

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English is not my native language, I am sorry for any mistakes I made.

[Swizzy]

Well, judging from his Corruption crit chance he used the Neversmelting Ice Crystal which is a rather big boost. But dude, you said it yourself... He was very lucky, probably had a better geared Demo warlock than you, which also increases his DPS.. But once again, the Neversmelting Ice Crystal, luck on Devious Minds and Eradication.. haven't checked, but he may have recieved Power Infusion aswell.

I didn't really bother to check your WoL. You may know all this already

[Tsukky]

Hey hautiejah

Affliction warlock dps is nowadays too much relied on procs. We can do decent 11k+ dps almost in every encounter but topping the meters doesnt only require you to have high proc rate on eradication and devious minds ( Apollox had 40%+ uptime on them both) but to get those procs at the right time. For example, when BL is used getting a simultaneous proc from those two boosts your dps drastically(apollox dps peaked at ~23k at the beginning so im just going to assume that they used BL at the start and that he got these procs :) ). And ofcourse, getting these procs <25% is again a much higher dps buff than getting them lets say when the boss is at 50%. I really hope they change this in cata since I like playing affliction.

Basicly he just pumped the beasts full of corruption, nuked the boss and hoped for eradication procs -> low damage on beasts

on a side note you're missing one of the awesome lock minor glyphs which are about 2k dps each so there you go :)

I hope this helped

[blixt]

Heya! :)


I've been playing warlock for a while, affliction to be more specific, but i still can't get over 9.5k dps. This is kinda fail, and embarassing, really. We're very depending on our procs as someone else mentioned, and well i guess that would be improved as i get the haste trinknet from rotface. But however.. only 9.5k , on feaster that is. I've got 5818 gs , ( i'll also give you aye link to my armory below ) I should really be able to put out more? I don't know why i am using the corruption glyph, anyone got any better idea ? Life tap perhaps?

I just dont know what i am doing wrong. i know how to play aye warlock, 4 sure, but there is something wrong :( Could someone just please have a look and see wazzap with meh? :)


http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... Bl%C3%ADxt

[Hautiejah]

Thanks for reply Tsukky,

You gave me some hope :)
Yes i cant really afford myself to tunnel boss. Our raid dps is a bit low so i need to help on adds... But we r working on it.
And about minor glyphs for warlocks... that was a good one too.

Have some more questions though. (hope i am not that annoying as my guildies think I am)

Currently I set my UI to notify me about 4t10 and eradication procs(power auras), so that I will not waste the time of proc for, say, LT. Any advise about other stuff to keep an eye on? maybe trinket proc or ring or embroidery? Or it will be overkill?

Also right now i am using an addon DrDamage to show me in real time the average damage for every ability i have on my bars. Maybe there is some addon that will show me my current spellpower value in some visual form? Like dynamic e-peen bar atop of my head? Just to help me identify that special moments for 2nd haste pot.

Whats your starting spell sequence?
I tried to use EJ suggested one (SB-Haunt-SB-(NMIC+corr)-UA-CoA...) but i found it too slow. Tried to fish for 4t10 proc before applying Corr and also tried to recast Corr when i have a proc. After several hours on training dummy now i just use SB-Haunt-Corr-UA-CoA-SB... I am not sure its optimal but dont feel like postponing main damage abilities is right too. Especialy on fights with some fast target switching kile professor. Any tips?

And finally last thing that i am not yet sure about.
Say I am on LK and in transition phase there is some raging spirits to kill. What will be the best way to DPS them? I can ofc just tunnel one of them but i feel that multidotting is a way to go here. What dots/debuffs should i put on the offtarget to not to gimp my DPS on main? What about haunt? Should i keep it 100% on just one spirit or have it on both but not 100% uptime? In general, how to multidot?

Thanks for your help

[Tsukky]

Currently I set my UI to notify me about 4t10 and eradication procs(power auras), so that I will not waste the time of proc for, say, LT. Any advise about other stuff to keep an eye on? maybe trinket proc or ring or embroidery? Or it will be overkill?

I've set my UI to track Muradin, life tap, eradication and devious. Those are the main things IMO to keep track of.

Also right now i am using an addon DrDamage to show me in real time the average damage for every ability i have on my bars. Maybe there is some addon that will show me my current spellpower value in some visual form? Like dynamic e-peen bar atop of my head? Just to help me identify that special moments for 2nd haste pot.

There probably is an addon that shows your sp but I dont use one

Whats your starting spell sequence?
I tried to use EJ suggested one (SB-Haunt-SB-(NMIC+corr)-UA-CoA...) but i found it too slow. Tried to fish for 4t10 proc before applying Corr and also tried to recast Corr when i have a proc. After several hours on training dummy now i just use SB-Haunt-Corr-UA-CoA-SB... I am not sure its optimal but dont feel like postponing main damage abilities is right too. Especialy on fights with some fast target switching kile professor. Any tips?

SB-Haunt-Corr-UA-CoA. And about target switching in professor, I usually just start with the usual rotation and switch back to professor when the slime is at ~20%. It's not the best way if you want to look at your own DPS only but atleast the slimes go down fast. Multidotting is great overall to increase your dps. But in all honesty in putricide you are not going to hit the enrage timer(is there even one ?). And the only things that require 'high' dps are the slimes and the last phase

And finally last thing that i am not yet sure about.
Say I am on LK and in transition phase there is some raging spirits to kill. What will be the best way to DPS them? I can ofc just tunnel one of them but i feel that multidotting is a way to go here. What dots/debuffs should i put on the offtarget to not to gimp my DPS on main? What about haunt? Should i keep it 100% on just one spirit or have it on both but not 100% uptime? In general, how to multidot?

Our tactic relies on heavy melee cleave so I switch to the new add as soon as it spawns and trust that our melee classes do their job finishing the previous add. At the 2nd transition phase I dont switch to the 4th add tho since we lack the dps to kill the 3rd before the first frostmourne room.

cheers

[Nimrot]

HI there to all,,


first off grtz on LK hm 25m :)
secondly awesome forums and very nice the guys from paragon are replying to a lot of posts :)

I got a question myself


I played warlock for ages and i love the destro spec,,,,,,now i see tsukky running a 12/59 destro spec,,,,,do u have this spec purely for LK 25HM or u use it for other raids aswell and why?? high survivability?? and have u tryed out changing LT glyph for immolate for more casts and less LT??

i am testing it now only had doen 1 raid with it running a 14/57 instead of a 18/53 i must say so far i like it a lot just wondering if u or any of paragon warlocks tryed it.


Loads of questions :P ( sorry bout that )

but it comes down to :

why 12/59
and have u tryed immo glyph over lt glyph


many thnx in advance and drewl at your gear


Greetz

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nagrand&cn=Nimrot

[Tsukky]

Thats my SF reple whore spec for 10mans and saurfang. Always something is needed so I just figured I'd get them both and never have to respec again.

I dont recommend this spec for _anyone_

EDIT: and about glyphs, I just put the only destro glyphs I had left in my bank since Ulduar times. So i havent really tested out any other glyphs.

[Methens]

Greetings, I have a question regarding pets. According to the EJ affi thread the priority on pets goes: Infernal > Dommgaurd > Felpup > Succubus > Imp > Void.
I was wondering if this remains the same to this current date with the current gear and talents. Some people have told me that for standard pet succubus with 2 points in demonic power(tho I see no players using it, so I guess it's false) is superior to felpup with the 2 points in imp felhunter.
Aside from that using infernal on the last minute of a fight is the best, as well as doomgaurd every single time the CD is up, correct?
Thank you for your answers in advance.