Some doubts about Doomguard, which is best time to do it

[David Jonh]

For Paragon locks:

Well I feel that my Doomguard can do a best performance on the fights.

Like post says I wonder which is the best time to pop it on several bosses.

For example on Morchok normal I pop it at the start of the fight( without hero) my guild just use hero at 25%. But I feel will be a dps lost waiting for hero because at the start of the fight I have almost all my procs and cds activated such as Volcanic Potion,Moonwell Chalice, Volcano Trinket and sometimes Lightweave procs.

At 25% my Doomguard will not benift the maximum from my cds and procs, it´s true that heroism will increase his dps, but boss will die in 15-20 sec and I will lose loads of my Doomguard damage.

On Morchok hc I pop it at 25% to burn the boss more quickly. However I guess my damage would be better if I pop him on the beginning.

On Warlord I wait for the 1º burn phase, it´s when my guilds pops heroism, but on that part of the encounter my Volcanic potion it´s on cd so don´t benift from it, neither my Metamorphosis and MWC are ready. I pop those on the begining of the fight opens with Felguard, i will not delay Meta and Chalice just for have them on burn phase.

On Yor I pop it at the start, and heroism it´s just launch at 25-30%. So again I feel im loosing damage on this fight.

On Haggara I use my guardian after the 1º wave(lighting/frost). Again my Metamorphosis and Chalice and Volcanic Potion are on cd.

Ultraxion and Madness are the only bosses I´m using them on the right time (I pop hero at the start of the fight).

On Spine of Deathwing I wait until the 1º tendon it´s up (without Volcanic Potion). Last but not least at Gunship I burn all my cds when 2º phase begins, with my Doomguard in the middle.

I would appreciate a detailed response if you don´t mind. Thanks on advance.

[Jubeto]

Heroism doesn't affect doomguard damage in any way, unless there has been some stealth minion change in 4.3 which allows them to gain it if they're popped before application. I want you to ask yourself: why do you pop the DG when you do? I'll send you a cookie through e-mail if you can involve 3rd grade math, post your thoughts when you're done thinking.

[David Jonh]

I thought Doomguard benifts from heroism but seems I was wrong... However I´m aware that Doomguard benifts from trinkets,procs,pots and mastery.

I have 2 reasons to pop Doomguard:

1º I pop him on burn phases if guild needs it, to down the boss more quickly.

2º To increase my damage/dps


I try all the time to line up the most possible procs/cds to pop a "good" Doomguard.Sometimes I had the feeling that I was poping a "bad" Doomguard because I wasn´t pop him at the right time.


That´s why I did this post...

[Jubeto]

You didn't reply to my question quite as I would expect. Since you now know heroism doesn't affect the DG damage, there is only 2 questions left unanswered and I hoped you'd find the answer to those by yourself.

On Warlord I wait for the 1º burn phase, it´s when my guilds pops heroism, but on that part of the encounter my Volcanic potion it´s on cd so don´t benift from it, neither my Metamorphosis and MWC are ready. I pop those on the begining of the fight opens with Felguard, i will not delay Meta and Chalice just for have them on burn phase.

I do not know if you were aware, but the damage taken increased debuff on the boss gets more stacks during the encounter, these debuffs are active only during the black slime phases. Hypothetically speaking, when do you think it would be the best time to pop DG?

On Haggara I use my guardian after the 1º wave(lighting/frost). Again my Metamorphosis and Chalice and Volcanic Potion are on cd.

Would it make sense to use it after 2nd wave? If not, why?

[David Jonh]

I do not know if you were aware, but the damage taken increased debuff on the boss gets more stacks during the encounter, these debuffs are active only during the black slime phases. Hypothetically speaking, when do you think it would be the best time to pop DG?

Hypothetically speaking I believe the best time to pop Doomguard will be on burn phases, for benift of the guild. Doomguard will "hurt" harder on this phase due the damage increase.But I´m not sure if I´m saying some nonsense or not.

Would it make sense to use it after 2nd wave? If not, why?

Yes.Moreover if I use it on 2nd wave I will have Volcanic Potion and MWC ready to use before I pop DG.The only concern it´s if my Doomguard will be 45 seconds (tier 13/set bonus) hitting the boss, I guess after the 2nd wave, Haggara will be die in less then 20-30 seconds and I don´t wanna see my guardian close to me without doing nothing because the boss it´s dead.

If you know what I mean...