Warlock's in 4.

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 29 Oct 2010 17:53

User avatarHermanni
 
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In terms of effectiveness, on Nefarian I should have been a lot closer to Jubeto if only it weren't for the trouble I had with my ping jumping between ~300-1000, being dead for a while and generally playing poorly. Also, Jubeto alone seemed to somehow manage keeping his pet alive.

All warlock specs are at what I'm afraid might be the "waiting for nerfs" -stage at this point, Destro probably being slightly ahead on single-target DPS and Demo winning anything with AoE.

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 29 Oct 2010 18:23

User avatarJubeto
 
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Fel synergy alone isn't enough to keep the pet alive (if its standing in the magma while attacking the prototype dude of mass destruction), I either resummoned it with demonic rebirth (or possibly even soulburn if I didn't note the pet dying) or put it in middle of the platform with "move to" command always its hp went low. I can't really recall what I did on the kill try, but that stuff sums up what I generally did during progression.

Goddamn, this fissure skill is inaccurate.

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 29 Oct 2010 18:50

User avatarJubeto
 
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JamayK wrote:Starting from 4.0.1 where affliction and destro pew pew pretty well... and demo is a little bit behind... why are you demo in the last video released by Paragon (talking about Nefarian video). And also you are 2nd total dmg on demo (that's nice)... how do you "feel" demo to be @ 85?


Demo has very strong AOE as I previously mentioned and its really not bad at single target at all. I generally like the spec and wanted to give it a try, If it sucked I probably would've given some constructive feedback to devs so they hopefully would fix the spec. Fortunately that wasn't the case.

JamayK wrote:Paragorn have been pawning boss after boss on PTR and you all had the chance to test all the locks specs... and even compare with the other classes.

How Balance is Demo vs. Destro vs. Affliction?
Where is Warlock vs. Other Clases?


The only fight where we had all specs presented at the same time was chogall which has a lot of aoe involved. Demo was definitely the strongest spec there. Was #1 on sub 10% wipes. Diivil did more dps on the kill try tough, but that was only because I didn't grasp the demo play-style quite perfectly. That was my first time as demo on beta (haven't played it much on live either) and didn't have all the important demo dps procs set on need to know. Affli did good damage compared to other classes but it was lacking behind other lock specs a lot and I really think its under-tuned.

I cannot provide you any other information about patchwerk style fights other than Destro > Affli. The margin between those spec is REALLY FUCKING HUGE.
Demo does nice single target dps and it shouldn't be too far away from destro's dps, however I do not know for sure how big the difference is.

Warlock does really nice damage on about any given fight compared to other classes, especially when the fights require a lot of aoe or have favors ranged dps like nefarian add phases. However some of the classes like mages, shamans and maybe even hunters are clearly underpowered while retribution paladins and warriors do retardedly high damage.

Goddamn, this fissure skill is inaccurate.

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 30 Oct 2010 16:30

User avatarJamayK
 
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Mani - Jube, thank you for your explanations. Once again I know it's pretty early to judge the specs and I'm sure there will be fix after fix when Cata will be Live, till Blizz reach a fair balance between all classes (if not also specs into a class, like lock case).

Congratulation for all your Beta kills and thanks for the hard work you put into offering us a preview of the expansion and also (i'm sure about this) a fair constructive feedback to Blizz's Dev teams. If blizz doesn't listen one of the biggest guilds in the world (1st according to latest results and PTR) ... then who they will listen to? :)

I will keep follow you all and maybe come with some more questions as Cata gets even closer.

Good luck!

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 04 Nov 2010 16:01

User avatarJamayK
 
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Hermanni wrote:All warlock specs are at what I'm afraid might be the "waiting for nerfs" -stage at this point, Destro probably being slightly ahead on single-target DPS and Demo winning anything with AoE.


Damn Manny, you were so right there!

You know I could blame the warlocks from Paragon , because playing 2 pro your class it just makes them nerf the entire world. No, no joke... all your fault :)

Considering MMO is right... well they usually are, according to the patchnotes, affl and destro gets like a "general 12% nerf", since they are affecting most of the spells.

I doono what's with shadowflame for destro...cd reduced, and dmg not nerfed. Are they planing to send destro on melee range (like demo used to be in meta)? Hm... else I don't see why would they make shadowflame as a very important rotation spell.


Affliction

* Bane of Doom base damage has been reduced by 12%, from 2213 to 1948.
* Bane of Agony base damage has been reduced by 12%, from 1743 to 1535.
* Drain Soul base damage has been reduced by 12%, from 437 to 384.
* Drain Life base damage has been reduced by 12%, from 125 to 109.
* Corruption base damage has been reduced by 12%, from 1004 to 883.
* Jinx now affects up to 15 nearby targets.

Destruction

* Chaos Bolt base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 1490 - 1893 ] to [ 1311 - 1665 ]
* Shadowburn base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 737 - 823 ] to [ 649 - 724 ]
* Fel Flame base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 251 - 291 ] to [ 220 - 256 ]
* Shadowflame cooldown has been changed to 12 sec, down from 25 sec.
* Incinerate base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 579 - 673 ] to [ 510 - 592 ]
* Soul Fire base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 2468 - 3094 ] to [ 2171 - 2722 ].
* Searing Pain base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 322 - 382 ] to [ 283 - 336 ].
* Immolate base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 756 + 2401 over 15 sec ] to [ 665 + 2112 over 15 sec ].
* Shadow Bolt base damage has been reduced by 12%, from [ 640 to 714 ] to [ 563 to 629 ].

Re: Warlock's in 4.

Post 04 Nov 2010 18:55

User avatarHermanni
 
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Don't blame me, my relationship with the beta realms is bumpy enough to usually keep me from attracting any unwanted attention.

The base damage nerf isn't too significant, but they did bring several other classes up to a scratch. Nothing to be concerned of, though. And I rather doubt Shadowflame will be worth sitting in the melee.