incoGnito wrote:Kruf wrote:Odrob wrote:I'm not sure if full all-out arpen setup is in fact that great for 10mans - it's better when there's replenishment from someone else and guaranteed sunders/expose on targets.
hi kruf, i didnt get what u meant there.
if u have nearly 100% arp how does sunders etc.. going to affect?
maybe i dont get the whole picture but my impression is that if u have nearly 100% arp u dont benefit from those debuffs.
about the raid buffs.. ofc.. 10 men dps is crusial in certain fights.
Funny you should ask, considering you're giving advice to people here.
The simple answer is: Because even with "100%" arpen you're still not hitting a 0 armor target unless both minor and major armor reduction debuffs are up.
For the longer answer, let's start with a quote explaining how armor penetration works:
Okay, here is a fairly technical explanation we put together for how armor pen works.
We didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against low armor targets, like it had been in BC. We also didn’t want Armor Penetration Rating to be too powerful against high armor targets.
So, we decided on a system where there is a cap on how much armor the Armor Penetration Rating can be applied to. So, the first X armor on the target is reduced by the percentage listed in the Armor Penetration Rating tooltip, and all armor past that X is unaffected. Another way of understanding that is we multiply the percentage in the tooltip times the minimum of the two values: the cap, and the amount of armor on the target after all other modifiers.
Computing the cap is a little tricky unless you are already familiar with how World of Warcraft armor works. There is an armor constant we’ll call C. C is derived as follows (in some pseudocode):
If (level<60)
C=400+85*targetlevel
Else
C=400+85*targetlevel+4.5*85*(targetlevel-59);
For a level 80 target, C=15232.5. For a level 83, C=16635.
The cap for Armor Penetration then is: (armor + C)/3.
A level 80 warrior creature has 9729 armor. C=15232.5. So, the cap is (9729+15232.5)/3=8320.5. Let’s say a player has 30% armor penetration from armor penetration rating and no other modifiers that complicate the calculation (talents, Battle Stance, Sunder Armor, etc.). The game chooses the minimum of 8320.5 and 9729, so 8320.5. That is multiplied by 30% = 2496.15, and so that much armor is ignored. The effective armor on the target is 7232.85 (9729-2496.15). From a player point of view, the armor penetration rating didn’t ignore the full 30%, but instead ignored 25.66%. (85.5% as effective as expected).
These equations should help you be able to test and verify that Armor Penetration Rating is working correctly and as we designed. The tooltip is not actually inaccurate, as it states: “Enemy armor reduced by up to 30.00%.” That "up to" is key.
Please be sure to test without any other effects which modify the armor calculation (Battle Stance, Sunder Armor, Mace Specialization, etc.) as they may involve other systems that add additional complexity to the calculation.
(Source:
Ghostcrawler on US forums)
Armor reduction debuffs are applied
before the calculation above.
So, if there are no sunders up and you have 100% arpen, effective armor on your physical attacks is:
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arpcap = (10643+16635)/3 = 9092
finalarmor = 10643-9092 = 1551
With sunders and faerie fire up, this becomes:
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armor = 10643*0.80*0.95 = 8088.68
arpcap = (8088.68+16635)/3 = 8241.23
finalarmor = 8088.68-8241.23 = -152.55
Thus, as you can see, having the armor reduction debuffs up does in fact matter even with "100%" arpen from gear.
