1235 Haste vs 1850 Haste

[Syrupyroffle]

Hello, I know you guys have been answering quite a few posts regarding the haste plateau, but I'm currently faced with a problem that doesn't seem to have been brought up yet.

Currently on my hunter, I've reforged all mastery into haste, totaling ~1500 haste atm. It's not quite at the 1850 haste breakpoint, but a bit over the 1235 haste.

My question is for hunters in similar situations like me, should I start reforging some crit (our best secondary stat) to haste to try and hit the 1850 haste? Or simply drop back to the 1235 haste w/o chimera glyph until I get better gear to more easily hit 1850 haste without having to reforge crit?

Here's my armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced
(definitely not the best set of gear or progression, but that's because my guild has been taking a short break).

Also, are these haste plateaus affected by having 4p or not (besides the simple fact that better gear = more stats to play around with)?

Thanks and congratulations on your HRag kill.


EDIT: I realize I can't hit 1850 even by reforging all possible crit. But if reforging crit to 1850 is an option, should I go that route?

[Metaphoric]

Shame on you!

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The 1300 haste cap (which I assume you mean by 1235) is the goal for people with T11 4pc, and 1850 is the goal for those without it.

It seems that you have dropped the T11 4pc for.. Nothing at all, that is bad, you should keep your T11 4pc till you get the T12 4pc.
What you should do right now is to get 1300 Haste, and retrieve your T11 4pc bonus. Stat weights until T12 4pc would be something along the lines of:

Agility > Hit till cap > Crit > 1300 Haste > Mastery > Haste

[Syrupyroffle]

Actually, I never had 4p t11 to begin (no luck with tokens :[). That's why I just went ahead with 2p t12, but I'll be working on getting that elusive 4p t11.

Also, the 1235 Haste rating I believe is elitist jerks's 12.93% haste rating with 3/3 pathing (with 4p T12).

Summary of your suggestions:
1. Try to get and keep 4p T11 w/ 1300 haste until 4p T12.
2. Aim for 1850 haste with 4p T12.

A Question:
When I get 4p T12, if I need to reforge crit to haste to match 1850 haste, should I reforge or keep 4p t11 until I can easily hit 1850 w/ 4p t12?

[Metaphoric]

Actually, I never had 4p t11 to begin (no luck with tokens :[). That's why I just went ahead with 2p t12, but I'll be working on getting that elusive 4p t11.

Also, the 1235 Haste rating I believe is elitist jerks's 12.93% haste rating with 3/3 pathing (with 4p T12).

Summary of your suggestions:
1. Try to get and keep 4p T11 w/ 1300 haste until 4p T12.
2. Aim for 1850 haste with 4p T12.

A Question:
When I get 4p T12, if I need to reforge crit to haste to match 1850 haste, should I reforge or keep 4p t11 until I can easily hit 1850 w/ 4p t12?

The amount of Haste on T12 gear will easily bring you close to the 1850 plateau, you should avoid reforging out of crit if it is possible. As soon as you get 4pc T12, you should start working on getting 1850 haste (which is not that hard). But IF your Mastery is insufficient to become 1850 Haste, you can reforge a little crit to Haste, but not a lot, if you are very far from hitting the plateau by reforging Mastery, you should wait till you get more Haste.

Long story short:

- Avoid reforging out of crit, reforge Mastery instead. (When 4pc T12 is acquired)
- If that is insufficient, and you are close to hitting the plateau, reforge a little crit.
- If that is insufficient, and you are FAR from hitting the plateau, keep T11 4pc and wait till you can get closer.

EDIT: You are right, 1235 equals 12.93% Haste with 3/3 Pathing.

[Syrupyroffle]

Thanks for a clear cut answer.

[Aemara]

You haven't been reading the recent forum posts lately, Metaphoric...

[Metaphoric]

Please elaborate. :P

[Aemara]

One of the guides regarding the 1850 Haste plateau clearly illustrates the fact that 1850 Haste is not enough to fit CS > ASx2 > SSx5 into 9s CS cycle and is too much for a 10s cycle. Maybe I'm delusional, but that is what I read.

[Aemara]

It's not feasible to get 5/2 rotation without 4T11, that would require about 2920 haste rating.

4/2 rotation would only require around 300 haste rating assuming zero delay between shots, but you probably would not gain enough focus to maintain it (at least until they fix 4T12 to work with Arcane Shot).

What all this means is that there doesn't seem to be a good fixed cycle anymore once you ditch 4T11 and you'll have to run a more complex rotation alternating at least two different cycles. Or go for Aimed Shot dump, which does look viable for fights where you don't have to move, more on this in other threads.

Quoting what Kruf said on the post that Tranquilizer started regarding 1850 Haste plateau.

When he says there will be alterations between two different cycles confused me a bit. Unless of course he means:

CS > ASx2 > SSx5
CS > ASx2 > MMM AI > SSx4

Both would still occur in a 9s cycle with the T11 4-set, though, so I'm not quite sure what he means. Anyway, there's what I meant in my first comment.

[Syrupyroffle]

So what is the reasoning behind this 1850 haste? It's supposed to simulate 4p T11 set bonus, but the calculations are wrong? Since there's quite a bit of controversy over this, any clarifications would help :].

I recently read on mmo that with bloodlust/glyphed rapid fire, 1850 haste rating can lower the cast time of aimed shot to 1s (hunter GCD). Is this what is being aimed for with 1850 haste rating, or is there more to it than just that?

*To my knowledge (correct me if I'm), with 1850 haste, hunters want to drop chimera glyph (10s chimeras) while having a 5/2 rotation (with 10%haste buff). The EJ 1235 haste suggests 10s chimeras with a 4/2 rotation?