1235 Haste vs 1850 Haste

[Aemara]

So what is the reasoning behind this 1850 haste? It's supposed to simulate 4p T11 set bonus, but the calculations are wrong? Since there's quite a bit of controversy over this, any clarifications would help :].

I recently read on mmo that with bloodlust/glyphed rapid fire, 1850 haste rating can lower the cast time of aimed shot to 1s (hunter GCD). Is this what is being aimed for with 1850 haste rating, or is there more to it than just that?

*To my knowledge (correct me if I'm), with 1850 haste, hunters want to drop chimera glyph (10s chimeras) while having a 5/2 rotation (with 10%haste buff). The EJ 1235 haste suggests 10s chimeras with a 4/2 rotation?

With Raipid Fire and glyph, you do not need 1850 to be at the 1s GCD. Even with 12.93% Haste and glyphed, you are at .9 second SS...so there is no need for that much Haste if those are your intentions.

[Syrupyroffle]

No, I meant aimed shot cast time with rapid fire glyph, lust, and 1850 haste, not steady shot.

[Metaphoric]

4pc T11, glyphed Rapid Fire, Bloodlust with 1850 Haste rating (3/3 Pathing, ISS up)

Aimed Shot cast time is:

1.097 sec.

[Syrupyroffle]

4pc T11, glyphed Rapid Fire, Bloodlust with 1850 Haste rating (3/3 Pathing, ISS up)

Aimed Shot cast time is:

1.097 sec.

^ Accounting for latency, that would give us 30s worth of 1s Aimed Shots. Is this what Kruf/Devai was looking for? Number crunching seems to counter the "1850 haste simulates t11 4p bonus" statement. Other than the above 1s Aimed Shot and the simulating 4p T11, I can't seem to find a reason for 1850 haste (other than just faster SS, AiS, and focus regen).

[Metaphoric]

4pc T11, glyphed Rapid Fire, Bloodlust with 1850 Haste rating (3/3 Pathing, ISS up)

Aimed Shot cast time is:

1.097 sec.

^ Accounting for latency, that would give us 30s worth of 1s Aimed Shots. Is this what Kruf/Devai was looking for? Number crunching seems to counter the "1850 haste simulates t11 4p bonus" statement. Other than the above 1s Aimed Shot and the simulating 4p T11, I can't seem to find a reason for 1850 haste (other than just faster SS, AiS, and focus regen).

To be all that honest, latency is a little issue unless it is above 60 or so.

I believe in your number crunching, and I am sure it will provide reliable results in a perfect situation (e.g standing still all the time), but you can't rely on it in a raid encounter.

[Syrupyroffle]

I think you're missing the point I was trying to ask.

I was wondering what the reasoning behind the 1850 haste rating plateau was. It was mentioned that 1850 haste simulates the 4pT11 bonus by allowing an extra SS per 10(unglyphed?)s chimera rotation (if I'm not mistaken). However, many other numbercrunching theorists argue that 1850 haste isn't enough. The only other hypothesis to that question I found was about the 1s AiS under RF glyph and bloodlust (which is why I brought it up).

Now, if 1850 really doesn't simulate 4pT11 and the goal wasn't 1s AiS under certain haste conditions, then is there any other meaning behind the suggested 1850 haste? Not to say Devai/Kruf are wrong with 1850 haste, but a lot of the hunter community doesn't see it working as they claimed to work.

[Metaphoric]

You must remember AI MMM procs.

[Syrupyroffle]

You must remember AI MMM procs.

How..does this relate to what I'm trying to ask? Unless you mean that 1850 haste = more SS fired = faster stacking of proc AiS, which honestly doesn't seem to be worth the haste stacking considering the horrible RNG of MMM stack procs.

[Bordeau]

It seems the real question we are all trying to figure out is what is the haste plateau for a marskmanship hunter in t12?
With or without Chimera shot glyph? And what Kind of rotation can we expect out of it. It seems theres many mixed answers 1650, 1850. Plus is that with or with out 3/3 pathing.

Thanks

[Andro]

But why is Devai playing with T12 4pc with haste reforged into mastery then? He is playing with exactly 1136 haste (8,87%) and 18,98% mastery right now!