Need help regarding rotation!

Need help regarding rotation!

Post 15 Sep 2010 23:37

Avatar Iwontshoot
 
Posts: 11
Sorry to post again, but this time its regarding rotation.

Reposted from http://huntsmanslodge.com/5663/hunter-basics-explosive-shot.htm. huntsman lodge actually suggesting waiting 0.5s during LnL procs before firing off the next explosive shot, instead of squeezing in another shot. Anyone tried this out yet and did dps improve by doing so?

Coz in terms of theory he did sound kinda correct, but i'm confused about the 0.5s of waiting for gcd, as surv hunters do have a tight priority, 2x 0.5s of waiting = 1s of dps wasted, and accumulated over fights it can really lead to a substantial lost in dps. Somebdy help pls?

Re: Need help regarding rotation!

Post 16 Sep 2010 06:58

User avatarmeth
 
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C'mon it is only one second... and unless you are a robot you might even need the 0.5s longer anyway to press the button. But the why is pretty clearly explained. Explosive Shot is your highest DPS shot as survival, and in order to get the most out of it you want both of the ticks to take place before you shoot the next.

Since the ticks can crit quite high it would be a waste to put another minor shot in between which would essentially delay the next Explosive Shot even further, meaning you push back your number one shot.

Thats worth waiting 0.5 seconds. At least thats what I understood from the article. I am no Hunter.

PS: Isn't the spec of choice for any serious PvE hunter Marksman?

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Re: Need help regarding rotation!

Post 16 Sep 2010 08:27

Avatar Kruf
 
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Iwontshoot wrote:Reposted from http://huntsmanslodge.com/5663/hunter-basics-explosive-shot.htm. huntsman lodge actually suggesting waiting 0.5s during LnL procs before firing off the next explosive shot, instead of squeezing in another shot. Anyone tried this out yet and did dps improve by doing so?

Coz in terms of theory he did sound kinda correct, but i'm confused about the 0.5s of waiting for gcd, as surv hunters do have a tight priority, 2x 0.5s of waiting = 1s of dps wasted, and accumulated over fights it can really lead to a substantial lost in dps. Somebdy help pls?


This is the "old correct way", from Ulduar times. Delaying other shots is less dps lost than clipping the last tick of your Explosive Shot due to it being such a massive dps source compared to everything else.

However, even back then there were discussions whether it in fact is optimal and some theorycrafting has proved that the optimal way is slightly more complex, see https://sites.google.com/a/moonsaberrider.org/hunterdps/lock-and-load.

Re: Need help regarding rotation!

Post 16 Sep 2010 08:50

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In regards to that: Is there a gear level / stat level at which Survival is a better PvE spec than Marksman?

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Re: Need help regarding rotation!

Post 16 Sep 2010 08:51

Avatar Kruf
 
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Niroth wrote:In regards to that: Is there a gear level / stat level at which Survival is a better PvE spec than Marksman?


Yes, if your gear is quest blues or pre-ToC level epics then you're probably better off being SV.

Re: Need help regarding rotation!

Post 16 Sep 2010 15:32

Avatar Iwontshoot
 
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wow thanks kruf.the article was really helpful :)