Warrior discussion

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 02 Apr 2010 16:56

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Fireslave wrote:
If i swap the 500ArP for 500Str(+20%=600str) including raid buffs do you believe this will be worth the swap, as I can use procs for 18-22K BT's, but its based on AP which interests me.



Hello Fireslvae,

May not be the expert to solve your problem but I have done quite a bit of research in how Arp works. Blah blah blah. Basic Fact is that U cannot achieve same DPS gemming for strength. One of my theories is that with five sunders and feaire fire which is -25% reduction in boss armor you are hitting a target with almost no armor (i.e considering ArP value ~ 95-100% give or take). It would be silly to say, therefore ArP is better. But Imagining you hit a target with no armor and 10-11K armor makes a huge difference.

Now the theorycrafting aspect of it.
1 ArP ~ 0.9 SEP (Strength Equivalent Points)
1 Str = 1 SEP
Regemming to Strength (I calculated total available gems slots in your gear also considering your JC special gems + 20% str in zerk stance) u get about 1200 ish AP

Your current ArP value 1391*0.9 i.e as given above, so 1251 SEP

Which is surprisingly Almost near value if u gemmed but strength. But what you miss is with debuffs u are only ignoring -25% of boss armor with no further armor reduction stats.

My English isn't that great. I could have written in a very elegant way but I hope I still managed to give you an idea.
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Re: Warrior discussion

Post 02 Apr 2010 17:05

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ziga995 wrote:i got some q's aswell, im asking myself if i should buy Herkuml War Token or should i invest the frosts into somethin else?

thx in advance :)


I am assuming you are a fury warrior? Arms ? or not sure. There is no armory link.

But if you are a warrior for sure I'd say U rather invest in some tier gear than that trinket. TBH if you are regularly doing ICC 10 atleast try getting Whispering Fanged Skull its proc rate is amazing and one of the best trinkets for Melee and Ranged physical DPS classes. Worst if the worst, U can use two other choices, Mark of Supremacy and replace u r hit gear/gems with ArP ones.

Other choices might be, (easy to obtain)

Banner of Victory from 5m ToC
Mirror of Truth (what!? yes its still a great trinket and its proc is great too.)

All u get from war token with frost emblems is 340 AP with in few secs u enter combat and haste. But w/o knowing if u r fury/Arms or armory link its hard to tell which suits you best.

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 02 Apr 2010 17:23

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harriden wrote:my dps sucks! i know i need a new legs, cloak and belt, im savin up for those now. is there anyhting else i should do?


Hello,
First off :

I am assuming you do raid ICC looking @ your gear :

Your Spec & Gear :
Heroic Fury? useless for PVE. Remove and respec 5/5 commanding presence.
Your Hit from gear is 8% and yet you are spec'd for precision which totals to 11% hit.
Always remember for any class in wow. Hit is a very important stat till capped and anymore after that is a mere waste stat.
So i suggest you either need to replace the hit gear with something else. U can easily replace your belt with Vengeful Noose. (its leather yes, u r not a tank so dont u worry abt taking massive hits or low armor)

Try a different Neck, Collar of Unending Torment is much better for u cos u dont use hit on u r equipped one.
Try to attain gear with more arp on it. U can get crafted legs which will hugely increase your performance.
Also u only need a total of 26 Expertise u are over capped. Dont be afraid to equip low level gear. There might be few peices from ICC 5 mans.

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 02 Apr 2010 17:48

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Heroic Fury? useless for PVE. Remove and respec 5/5 commanding presence.


I rly cant agree with u less on this point. Fights like Valithria where u need to be fast on the target or professor, where u can charge ooze and then charge professor again is simply a win! Being fast on target is THE most important thing for a warrior, get the interupts going and so on. This can be useful on almost all encounters in ICC.

Marrowgar - if 1 of ur mates is standing a little bit too far away, intercept then intercept back.(Only useable on very far distances due to marrowgar enormous hitbox)

Lady - no explenation needed.

Professor - scroll up

Valithria - Scroll up

Sidragosa - Fast intercept of a frost beacon and then fast back on her again.(P3)

LK - nice with the initial stun on valkyrs and be able to reach them fast, then get back on LK again fast.

Council - if u intercept the 1 that makes the shock vortex, he casts, you run away and can then fast get back on him again.

Rotface - fast intercept on ooze if u get teh debuff and then back, be prep for dmg tho :)

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 02 Apr 2010 18:40

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Wystan wrote: THE most important thing for a warrior, get the interupts going and so on. This can be useful on almost all encounters in ICC


Yes TBH I totally see your point. I'd say yes may be I haven't thought it soo far cos I was only focusing on General spec.
When I looked at heroic fury first thing that comes to my mind is he spec'd this so this could also be viable spec for PvP, and then complaining about DPS performance didn't quite compute to me. I might have been wrong thinking the way u did.

However, spec's are supposed to be changed based on situations but not stick to a particular spec and expect it to work for all encounters or atleast be convinced that this spec is most viable for ICC. My point being, he could have rather devoted a point from precision (his hit cap atm is 11% , only 8% needed) to heroic fury rather than leaving commanding presence at 4/5.

On top of all this the CD of Intercept is 30 Secs, I am sure blizz made this encounters dynamic so its not a stand, tank and spank. Movement is required for majority of the fights. But I wouldn't expect to see a warrior charging here and there entire fight, then rogues can spec to Imp sprint, Dk's to imp Unholy presence and the like, its just not worth the dps loss. It may be a small part, but if we keep ignoring these suddle differences u just might ignore it all.

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 06 Apr 2010 18:52

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Hey I am just wondering about the ArP soft cap Right now I am way over it and want to know if I should sub out NES for Mirror of Truth and eventually Whispering Fanged Skull or whatever its called. Any other hints/tips are happily accepted.
Here is a link to my armory.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Jurdin

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 06 Apr 2010 23:32

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Jurdin wrote:Hey I am just wondering about the ArP soft cap Right now I am way over it and want to know if I should sub out NES for Mirror of Truth and eventually Whispering Fanged Skull or whatever its called. Any other hints/tips are happily accepted.
Here is a link to my armory.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Jurdin

Get a greatness card ..that is all

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 07 Apr 2010 11:31

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Hi!

I was just going through your roster and I noticed you don't have any Protection Warriors in your guild (apart from Tuuttiz offspec!). Is this because you feel Protection Warriors can't perform as well as the other tanking classes due to survivability/threat/utility and whatnot? Or is it simply because you haven't found that Ace-Warrior from Finland yet?

Cheers!

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 07 Apr 2010 11:56

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Kirderf wrote:Hi!

I was just going through your roster and I noticed you don't have any Protection Warriors in your guild (apart from Tuuttiz offspec!). Is this because you feel Protection Warriors can't perform as well as the other tanking classes due to survivability/threat/utility and whatnot? Or is it simply because you haven't found that Ace-Warrior from Finland yet?

Cheers!


We will always use the best tanking classes possible(reroll if needed) and at the moment its druid&paladin. In icc25hc you will only need 2 tanks excluding putricide where we used 3 tanks(tuuttiz was the 3. tank).

Re: Warrior discussion

Post 08 Apr 2010 00:12

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Hi there, today I took a 2nd hc Cryptmaker

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... =Fireslave

And as I can not see my guild killing LK 10 HM for a couple of weeks or maybe more (hope not) would anyone be able to confirm I made the right choice? I swapped the OH from Glorenzelg to Crypt.

The reason im worrying is because currently, im strugling to be a big contender on the meters, i keep my eyes off them during the fight so ic can focus but its sorta quite disapointing afterwards to thinking "Wait, am i really doiing the best i can with this gear?"
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