Death Knight discussion

[zYN]

I'm not using Blood Tap efficiently enough at all personally. [...] I'll have to try and use it more myself in the upcoming reset, I'll post then to see how it went.

The old feature of BS-BT seems to still a) refresh the blood rune you just used, b) make it a death rune and c) convert the remaining, unused blood rune into a death rune. Very good thing to keep in mind in the opening sequence to get faster sigil stacks by throwing an extra SS.

I have no idea why I've forgotten about that entirely.

[zYN]

I know that my trinkets suck. On my next badge purchase i can either buy the belt of trinket, what would you suggest?

Probably the trinket, but honestly I'm not gonna stalk ~20 armory profiles a day giving suggestions. :)

Basic rule of thumb is that you should just check the gains in stats (or in itemlevel) while keeping important stats soft-capped, such as hit. Add expertise to the soft-cap if you use GoD.

I noticed that you guys do not use GoDD but use GoD. Does this give you another SS on your next rotation? If not may i ask why?

Read the first page of the thread about GoD. I'll add something into the first post at some point about that and some other questions that pop up, so that not everyone has to wallow through the whole thread.

I don't know what i'm doing wrong, seriously, I already read thousands of guides for unholy dps, and I know every single word of them.
Here's my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Isayah

I know that my neck and my trinket (needle) sucks, but still.. I can't stand my poorly 6k dps on ICC25.

Knowing every word of every single guide doesn't do much if you don't follow them. You're horribly over the hit cap, you've got almost twice as much expertise as you'll ever need as DPS etc.

I suspect there's something just fundamentally wrong in how you play. Record a combat log, upload it to WMO or WoL. After that, get someone who's more kind and patient than me to help you out with it.

[hanzhE]

Here's my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Isayah
I know that my neck and my trinket (needle) sucks, but still.. I can't stand my poorly 6k dps on ICC25.

I wish people would stop using Mark of Supremacy. Sure, it's a good trinket if you actually can make use of all the hitrating, but in your particular case it gives you close to nothing. Going into detail here is a bit too much to ask. There's just too much to mention, I wouldn't know where to begin.

To me it seems like you're almost using a randomly gathered set of gear to boost your gearscore or something similar.

[Isayah]

Here's my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &cn=Isayah
I know that my neck and my trinket (needle) sucks, but still.. I can't stand my poorly 6k dps on ICC25.

I wish people would stop using Mark of Supremacy. Sure, it's a good trinket if you actually can make use of all the hitrating, but in your particular case it gives you close to nothing. Going into detail here is a bit too much to ask. There's just too much to mention, I wouldn't know where to begin.

To me it seems like you're almost using a randomly gathered set of gear to boost your gearscore or something similar.

I got Mark of Supremacy yesterday, I was using Needle Encrusted instead. My gear is what I could get so far, cause my entire life I've just pug everything. Now that I'm on a hardcore guild, probably my gear will get improved, but still, i don't think that my dps should be that low. I know some DKs with 1/2 pvp gear, like relentless two handed, wrathful bracers and those stuff that do at least 8k dps.
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[MoopZ]

No offense guys but the last thing this thread needs is every DK posting their Armory links and asking for help claiming they are doing everything correctly, when half the time they probably ain't.

There is no point posting Rotation from Ensidia.com and saying you follow the rotation, when is very likely you are probably messing up along the lines somewhere.

Atleast post some logs so the Paragon peepz and some1 else prepared to help can analize whats happening, you have to remember no matter how much skill you think WoW takes skill > gear menaing a preson with half an idea of what hes doing will always out DPS some random who got carried to his l33t 6k gear score.

Ofcourse you are gunna be lacking on DPS if your clicking every ability off the spellbook or if your stupid enough to run into every gas jar on Putricide etc. Think about it guys, the more you can help them out with info (rotation, logs, armory,) the more chance they have of helping you out.

[Xenonz]

With tomorrows major buff to frost DW, will any of your DK's be dropping unholy for it?

[jacare]

Hi synti,

i profited a lot from your inview on GoD and Engi. I switched to both and really like it.
I wonder about your thoughts about incoming 3.3.3 and two things about Frost DW. How are you planning to invest your talents? I have two things i ain't sure about yet...to find the best theoretical dps it is easy to just play around with kahorie's simulator..but to find the most practical infight dps is a lil more difficult. because of ToTT i wonder how much points you plan to invest in Subversion? I recently trained my rogues to give me ToTT a lot, which results in more n more aggro which is np with 3/3 in subversion but it could get messy with less than 3/3.
Also i wonder how your view is on the ghoul? I believe the ghoul with 0/2 NotD won't survive a lot in Icc25 especially not in 25HC - loosing the ghoul quickly could result in a 2-3% dmg loss...doh

greets

[laffinAtU]

What's wrong with your DK is how you play it. If you're pulling 6k, you're obviously over stacking certain things you don't even need (Reading the other post (and not checking the armory) it's hit and expertise). In that case, you're an idiot for not trying to balance out your stats.

First of all, guides don't do anything but help, it's up to you to master your class. After all, it is your MAIN character we're talking about here. Remain hit-capped (8% - 7% if you're a Draenei) and Expertise capped (26, 21 if you're frost). After these 2 core stats, you can build around it. Just remember, expertise isn't that important, if you can significantly increase your main stat (Strength, if you're that retarded) then go with that. Also, keep that in mind for Armor Pen. in ICC.

I haven't checked your armory, I don't feel the need to. You need to keep in mind that your rotation will never stick to IT > PS > BS > BS > SS > DC (DC) > SS > SS > SS - This will most likely be your starting rotation. It changes in the majority of fights. Take Sindragosa for example: Pulled - Do your burst rotation (If you don't stack debuff) - Blistering Cold - Run out (Throw up DC's if you're not stupid) - Run back in ----- In my case I've had 2 DR's and just did IT > PS > SS > SS ----- Keep in mind for the Ice Blocks, and also Phase 3.

I mean, it's not ratation, it's what you do in a specific situation to maximize your DPS. The only time you can stick to your rotation through out a fight is Festergut, if you don't get 2 melee spores and you happen to be one of them.

Think about it, don't just go OMG BUTTONS and expect the best of it. This requires a brain, which you're lacking if you're pulling 6k. I'm also going to add that your ghould, as Unholy, is a main part of your DPS. I, personally, don't suggest GoD because it can easily interfere with a DR you have available for SS. Anyways, with that being said, keep your ghoul alive, use its controls. Also, as ANY source says and shows, use your Gargoyle if Heroism/Bloodlust is popped with all your trinkets/sigil procs. Hell, throw in a Haste potion before-hand as well. ALWAYS make sure you bring indestructible potions and pop it 5 seconds before a pull to enable to either use a Potion of Speed or another Indestrucible Potion (Which increases your attack power thanks to Bladed Armor) later on in the fight. It's really easy to keep your DPS sustained, all you have to do is pay attention to what is going on, and don't tunnel vision.. GL noobtard


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[zYN]

No offense guys but the last thing this thread needs is every DK posting their Armory links and asking for help claiming they are doing everything

That's very true. We're going to split the thread into "hlap! my DK is doing 3k dps!" and actual DK specs/abilities/theorycraft/whatever discussion.

With tomorrows major buff to frost DW, will any of your DK's be dropping unholy for it?

Yes. I'm gonna go Frost, you can check my armory link in the sig. Shows both specs that I'll be running with. Logged out with frost DW gear.

How are you planning to invest your talents? [...] because of ToTT i wonder how much points you plan to invest in Subversion? I recently trained my rogues to give me ToTT a lot, which results in more n more aggro which is np with 3/3 in subversion but it could get messy with less than 3/3.

Check my armory link, it's got the spec in it as well. I asked our tanks if any DPS is riding high on threat constantly, answer was pretty simple 'no'. We have plenty of hunters/rogues in raids usually, so threat shouldn't become an issue. If it does, I'll have to invest into Subversion. I'll start off with 1 point from Black Ice and if that's not enough, peel them off from elsewhere.

Also i wonder how your view is on the ghoul? I believe the ghoul with 0/2 NotD won't survive a lot in Icc25 especially not in 25HC - loosing the ghoul quickly could result in a 2-3% dmg loss

Will see. I'm gonna start off with 0 points in it and try to use it smart enough. This is something I have no clue as of yet.

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I agree with the sentiment. No reason to be overly rude, though - these aren't MMO-Champ or official WoW forums. Like said, we're gonna split the "hlap my DK" into another thread of its own, so that people who want to find out some stuff don't have to wallow through posts like it.

[devolutions]

Hi, and thanks]

In essence: GoD is better than the three other glyphs by far. It's roughly twice as good as the second best glyph in every fight in ICC. You also get one extra global (SS instead of PS/IT) per one cycle, which is nice in almost every encounter. I'm very much GCD-starved in a lot of fights.

So from what you are saying GoD should be used. If so, then when i refresh via pest should i use the regular GoD rotation from blood, and also whats the macro to switch weapons to a Cinderglacier weapon to get the cinderglacier procs rolled.